Stephen Fry On God

And I asked you to show me the comparison, fundamentally so I could appreciate the humor. What qualifies as rant? Why does it qualify as ranting? As I said I will take it as I will and to the extent it is presented. It's not that I want to make a big issue out of it. I doubt Dejavu could relieve you of this scrutiny. It is not an ordeal for me to post, it is a pleasure to read and write. The hard part for you is obviously self accounting. Well relax about that, you are not required.

 

You understand Asmo?

 

If we don't have the capacity to understand the nature of "Bad" in Godly schemes then the same goes for anything we might thankfully call "Good". Thanking God has logically got to be just as moronic as blaming God and therefore God is irrelevant again. Unless you're a completely blind idiot, you've got to see a problem here. Bad experiences are really bad and really happen to real people. "Bad" is something any sane person can grasp, and even empirically quantify. Unlike God, Unless you're a fucking sociopath, bad is some real fucking shit.

Your lame human perspective excuse is tantamount to telling a mouse, "It's really good that snake has you by the throat, you just don't have the capacity to understand how GOOD your suffering really is". If you believe in a divine creator, the REAL suffering was created, with foresight and purpose, real suffering, and real bad shit. To thank him for good is fucking bullshit. To deny any bad as his "mysterious ways" is fucking bullshit! What kind of dirty shady SNAKE of a God are you defending with your BULLSHIT!?

GOD IS BULLSHIT!

 

As you invoke it.

 

Buwahahahahahahahahahaha!

obviously went sailing completely over your head.

 

Relaxxx, it's you who continues to hold the concept of a divine creator. You're arguing with YOURSELF. Wake up and smell the cornflakes.


Another way of putting this is "God"(NOT an anthropomorphised deity that should be hailed without question) is the driving force of your irritation and our responses. Some form of abstract perpetual energy that drives this very experience that we have learned to call life. NOT a deity.

Again.. NOT a deity.

One more time... NOT a deity.


To refute this idea is to refute your own existence, which is far more retarded than idea than those who DO believe in an anthropomorphised deity that waved his magic hands and created everything(which WE DO NOT because it's a RETARDED idea, although the possibility still exists... it's just highly unlikely and not particularly relevant because I couldn't give a fuck anyway.. I've never been one for authority).

Out of all the possibilities the universe could have produced, here we sit. Along with an argument over a stupid idea you think everyone who mentions the word "God" believes. You're naive and full of your own shit.


For anyone one interested in another possible explanation to this strange occurrence we call daily life that does NOT have ANYTHING to do with a theistic and anthropomorphised creator, but realises our biological systems are in fact alive and pulsing, and every thought we hold is a repercussion of our past in combination with a multitude of infinitely complex factors that all seem to meet at a point and, for some bizarre reason, create this very moment... try watching this. It's kinda interesting.

The audio's a little shit for the clip it's going to start at, but bear with it up to about 49:00

http://youtu.be/44lWTi9vnig?t=45m6s

"The chaotic attractor has something to do with the emergence of form within a field of chaos".




Then

http://youtu.be/zDnYxdXAPfQ


Then






Reality exists as the mean average of infinite. This is what the fibonacci sequence and all it's relatives are describing. It's the essence of harmony through time and space, and harmony is much more stable than chaos, hence our existence.. but it is in a never ending state of flux.


Think about infinite. The implications of that concept.. it's huge. It has to eventually impose on itself while at the same time continuing to expand. It can be space, it can be thought, it can be absolutely anything because by it's very definition infinite CANNOT be limited, therefore it extends FAR BEYOND it's original numerical conception.

Now can you possibly see why it's okay that daddy smacked you a few times, or that maybe you have some dead relatives because of some "unfair" freak accident? Are you guys able to forgive the world for it's few slip ups, when you actually peel away the layers and at least try and comprehend what we're in the midst of?


To quote myself from earlier.

 

Follow up article on that vid.
Thanks again for posting Fierce Flower!

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/stephen-frys-comments-on-god-could-lead-to-criminal-sanctions-against-him-in-many-countries-10018658.html

 

And this, for no particular reason other than it's cool.

http://youtu.be/fWsmq9E4YC0


Life, full of surprises!

 

there's something about fractals that is just fascinating

 

i love him. i think he is a truly honest and beautiful human being, and he is pretty spot on and accurate in this interview. thank you for sharing

 

Loving the quote tony.. despite my vindictive tone above

 

Yes have no problem understanding him.

 

http://youtu.be/ABwFg590Awg

Worth the time.

 

I have to decide if it is worth the band width at the moment. I have been greedy for information early in the cycle. I got all the time there is. I'll look at it when I have more data stream available via internet plan. Could be three weeks. Loading pages of text only, I can stretch it out quite a ways.

 

Yes indeed thanks for the laughs Forest Flower...

 

Interesting ideas. It certainly resides in the realm of philosophy and speculation, however knowing that we have developed 2 hemispheres in the brain, which have cross communication it's not like it's much of a reach to see why this is so. One hemisphere 'disciplines' the other in an activity which it is particularly dominant at, giving this impression of a mind speaking to itself. It may not be the full explanation but perhaps it could be a component of it.

I think examples of split brain individuals where the cross hemispheric communicator, the corpus callosum is severed perhaps provides evidence towards this as these people often have trouble with naming and vocalizing objects with stimuli that's only available to primarily one part of the brain.

 

On a slight tangent, this is also a pretty interesting. I read her book, wasn't too technical but it goes a little further.

http://youtu.be/UyyjU8fzEYU


Back on track:

Honestly I think we just don't have the linguistic tools available yet. English evolved out of studying material phenomena and it describes it very well, but when we start observing the subtleties of mind, there's just not much you can do with it.
Particular states of mind, patterns of thought and entirely new conceptual paradigms of existence exist. The most commonly related to of these is the psychedelic experience, but those insights(minus the pretty colours) don't entirely depend on the ingestion of a drug. Drug ingestion just induces them rather.. forcefully. It's an ontological description, the direct experience, rather than being filtered through the left hemisphere.

I envy dope in his ability to express such ideas. McKenna is another. It takes time to decode a lot of what's being said, on the surface they're just words structured in a peculiar way, but there is a reason for that. English, at this point in time, is limited.

 

Interesting video, I was thinking while watching that how similar her stroke sounds to a psychedelic experience.

 

Lol, strokes aren't necessary to have those experiences either, just to clear that up

 

A change in rhythm is. What we think of as normal consciousness and normal life in general is profoundly habitual in mind and body. Truly a hypnotic and physically inhibiting state considering the agility of the mind and fluidity of the body. That is why traumatic or pace altering experiences tend to introduce us to altered states. Sort of like necessity being the mother of invention. While it is true that a particular route is not required to reach a destination, different roads lead to different places. How are you going to change pace? Unless you are committed to conquering time then you are prone to those timely interruptions many call life changing experiences or taking a beating and is a haphazard way to apprehend the world which is by chance.

There is of course as well by choice. The one who is committed then to exploring the contents and reaches of ones own conscious and conscious relations is the most likely to achieve an understanding and virtuosity in those things. So while a god is not required, devotion is. Devotion to a goal or effort toward a desired aim. The rate and extent of achievement then is proportional to degree of focus. You could say a change of rhythm is your own degree of urgency or importance.