Speaking In Tongues

feels like rap lyrics -

 

Another thing:

In practice, our prayer, ideally, comes from both ourselves, and from God.

The picture is in the Old Testament, in the tabernacle, God's moving motel. You have two places in the O.T. where the "incense altar" is mentioned, once, as being in the "holy place", which is the middle section of the tabernacle/temple. Another reference states that the incense altar is "for" the holy of holies, the innermost section, where the presence of God, in His ark of testimony, resides.

This dichotomy has a purpose. The incense altar, representing prayers ascending unto God, is positioned, relative to both places, for a functional purpose. It indicates, in figure, that when we pray, we often begin in the soul, where there is often some confusion, to begin with. After praying for a while, we are ushered into the spirit, our human spirit, which God created in our deepest part, deeper even then the human soul, which still is somewhat under the influence of evil, in our fallen human condition, and needs renewing by the "renewing of the mind" which Paul speaks of.

So we begin to pray in the soul, where our desires, thoughts, intentions reside. After some time of persevering in prayer, we are ushered into the human spirit, equivalent to the "holy of holies", as that is God's residence in us, and where he begins his process of transformation on our fallen condition. It's his "beachhead", from where he begins to remake our soul, eventually transforming us to His glorious image, fully in God's expression, at the redemption of our body, at His return.

I'll give an example:

I go out of my home, angry with my wife, for something she said, or did, and begin to pray. My prayers, in my angry mood, sound like this:

"Lord, DO SOMETHING, to "get" her to "straighten up and fly right". WhatEVER it takes, Lord." etc. etc.

Angry prayers, not unlike David's, in the Psalms, where he prayed things like "Lord, break the bones of my enemies,,"

These "prayers" are just from the flesh and the fallen soul, asking God to avenge evil on the evildoers. Like the chant, "No justice, No peace",,just an angry rhetoric.

Then, after a short period of time, I begin to notice that I'm not "feeling it". It's as if God has not been listening. I don't sense His wonderful presence, or any love, peace, or joy. I just feel angry, but it's slowly subsiding.

Finally, I decide within myself,,"Hmm,,I wonder if my prayers are even "getting through"?

Then, I'm motivated to pray differently,,like this: "Oh Lord, I'm not sure what to pray, for her. Lord, lead me to pray those prayers that are from You, and not merely my own, ineffective, angry prayers (God is patient with us in our angry moods, and waits for us to come to Him).

After asking the Lord to lead me, my prayers are different, maybe not even focused on my wife (which was just manipulative anyway), but on my own fellowship with the Lord. I ask Him to cover my prayers with His efficacious blood, and bring me into the holy of holies, into my human spirit, to pray out those prayers that are from Him, and not merely my own affections.

Then, I begin to feel the comforting Spirit come in. I may even end up praying for blessing for my dear wife, instead of a curse,,lol.

It has been said that suffering is useful, but not much. Praying for suffering to come to those considered "in offence" is misguided. Jesus taught us to pray for blessing for our enemies.

 

Oh yeah

 

Your original words?

 

No, but the speaking in tongues thread title prompted me to quickly a certain song in my head and I typed it down as I rapped it all out. XD

 

yaba daba doo
boo hoo
choo choo

 

One more thang,,

In the first mentioned incidence of speaking in tongues, (in the bible), Acts chapter 2, there is the mention that men gathered on the day of Pentcost from all the surrounding nations, and yet, each man heard those speaking "in his own language". It was considered a kind of "miracle" at the time. Perhaps the matter of speaking in tongues was meant for a purely practical purpose?

 

Thought for a minute we had a nascent hip hop star.....

Have a nice Odinfest. :crowngrin:

 

just make sounds of your feelings....and they make more sense than words sometimes......

 

Reminds me of the type of jesting, surrounding speaking in tongues, that we used to do. Shonday, Monday, Tuesday, Shondabaronda,,,etc

 

Nice, as an expression, however, it is more helpful to others if our words have some content, unless you're just joining in on the fun.

Anyway,,this subject is tedious for me. I'm getting tired of myself for having so many words.

Left brain, right brain,,,

 

yeah...i am reduced to just sounds lately

this web we weave with our words.....when all I want to hear is your heart

 

My heart is saying,,

"Get off the dang computer, and have a smoke,,"

Hmm,,,

 

i just got here. I need to go back to my deafening silence once again?....already?

 

I just smoked a smoke

 

Sho-to baranda bazooka palooka

 

I just used tide....LOL

 

New York, New Yooooooorkkk

 

finger to lips.....with that nutty thing and sound.....

 

Target's computer system is mishandled. It says they have "99" boxes of Boots and Barkley kitty litter, unscented, but NOOOOOO,,,