Two Nypd Officers Murdered Execution Style

Wenjian Liu and Raphael Ramos

http://news.yahoo.com/two-nypd-officers-shot-in-patrol-car-in-brooklyn-212637751.html

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Where the murders are being called Ambush Assassinations.

 

What I'm reading here says he shot and wounded his girlfriend, so that's good. She didn't die like I first read.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-co-owings-mills-shooting-20141220-story.html#page=1

 

The backlash will be enormous. Cops will now be even more aggressive.

All that protesting over the last weeks and months was for nothing.

 

“They basically dragged two cops out their car,” a second witness said. “I saw it. One was shot in the face. There was blood coming out of his face.”

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/breaking_now_both_nypd_police_officers_have_died_from_execution_style_shooting


I can see where some confusion might come into play here. It's a past tense statement, though.

“The cops were struggling to get out of the vehicle,” eyewitness Courtney Felix, 23, of Bed-Stuy, told The Post. “They were hanging onto their wounds.

http://nypost.com/2014/12/20/2-nypd-cops-shot-execution-style-in-brooklyn/



This report repeats what my original post quoted.

“The perp came out of the houses, walked up behind the car and lit them up,” a high-ranking police official told the Daily News. "He approached from behind, opened fire and clearly his intent was to assassinate them," an official told the New York Times.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/20/nypd-officers-dead-brooklyn-shooting_n_6360434.html

 

The NYPD will punish New Yorkers because a thug drove in from Baltimore? If they do, they're even stupider and meaner than I think they are.

 

We have to be careful about how we characterize 'cops'. It can't be right to characterize all 'cops' based on the actions of a few. That's prejudicial I think.

It was nice to see the NYPD turn their backs on the Mayor when he arrived at the hospital in NYC. Maybe that will provoke a dialogue between the two groups.

 

Prior to these cops being murdered, NYPD had told the mayor to stay away from funerals of NYPD.

There have been ongoing problems between the officers and the mayor.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/de-blasio-meets-protesters-nypd-cops-hours-article-1.2051583

 

Sad story. I think it's kind of ridiculous to say "the cops had it coming"

 

What did Robin William's character always say to Ben Stiller's in Night at the Museum when he would argue with the monkey? "Who's evolved?" - time for someone to take the lead and tackle that issue - either the mayor or the head of the PD. Maybe another 'beer summit' at the White House?

 

No - they didn't have it coming. But it reminds me of that Clint line from Unforgiven - "We all have it coming, kid"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lYVggyHRkY

 

I fail to see how the style of this murder makes much of a difference. The goal of killing two cops was met entirely by this psychopath. As is typical of all the sucker-punching going on around the country, he hid like a coward and attacked them before they had a chance to react. A sucker-punch with a gun. Not that I'd have any more respect for him if he called them out first.

Rallies screaming for dead cops should have been stopped. But a lack of clear thinking in Ferguson was the lynch pin in this whole nightmare. These two cops were not only targeted for being cops, they were targeted for racial reasons as well. Sure, they were both minorities, but neither was black. I've seen an awful lot of unaddressed and unchallenged racism in the news lately. Ignoring the problem does not make it go away. Having the government and press compete to hide or inflame events doesn't help either.

While I think Penn Gillette's take on hacking is naïve (people should simply refuse to look at the leaked naked pics of young starlets), his logic is sound for this situation. If more people refused to be manipulated into a racial frenzy by the press and other clearly agitating people and instead relied on their own guidance, we might see less of this racial polarization. Making it a race issue slows progress.

 

All I can say about this topic is that I don't see any commentators here who have a very firm grasp on the current context of law enforcement behavior, culture, relations, or the like, in the US.

For the billionth time, that doesn't mean that these cops "had it coming" or whatever, it's too bad people died.

That's okay, it's not a comment on you guys personally, there are many forces working to carefully manicure the news that reaches you and the things it says or implies, or omits entirely.

It could be considered an assassination, depending on lots of facts I don't have at this moment. That's a much better description than execution.

As to "smoke another" or whatever, I know it's an old phrase, and I know you don't consciously mean all it's nasty insinuations, but the nasty insinuations in things we say, even things that go directly against our beliefs, creep into us and become internalized, as well as affecting the context in the discussion. I think that's a phrase and sentiment that generally needs to be avoided, it lowers the discussion.

 

Okay. I won't bring weed into it when I think you're being ridiculous, Roo.

I'll just say that you sound ridiculous like Asmo did.

Fair enough.

 

guy sounds like just a regular bloke that decided to kill his ho and whack a couple of blue coats.. he just blurted out some weekly news bullshit to get everyone riled up before he blew he two brain cells loose.

now.. eric frein he's a little more ballsy..

 

In principle, yes, by participating in a group that does bad things and has bad intentions, there might be some responsibility that falls on you for being part of it.

By that reasoning though, someone could shoot you because you are an American, and America sometimes does bad things, and you are supporting America with your taxes, etc.

So part of culpability is how much you are willfully associating with something bad. Were they members of a "bad cops" association that condoned abuse of power? Or were they there to serve and protect, and being a cop was the best option available to them? Could they have simply chosen to be part of a "good cops" association and still carried out service to society? I think on balance cops do more good than harm, and many are doing the job for good reasons. That some people associate all cops with the misconduct of some cops is not something that they can control.

Another part of culpability is how much they actively participated in misconduct. Did they shoot innocent people? Did they harass and intimidate people for kicks? Did they observe misconduct by other police and help them cover it up or fail to report it?

A third part is to consider how much good they did as part of their participation in a group. If they saved people's lives or helped people, that should counterbalance to some degree any harm they may have caused.

If someone does have a degree of culpability, any punishment that they deserve should be proportionate.

I don't see any reason to think that these weren't just two fairly ordinary cops trying to get a pay check and maybe provide a service to society. I don't see a reason to think that they on balance had something bad coming to them because they were cops, and I do have a problem with someone shooting them just because they were cops.

That seems to insinuate that when a cop kills someone, it's not justified.

At least some killings by cops are straight-up murder, just killing because they wanted to and could get away with it, or because they decided to be judge, jury, and executioner. I'm all for better screening of cops, better oversite, and independent investigation of criminal conduct by cops to prevent and punish those kind of killings.

Some killings by cops are mistakes, either done negligently, or in reaction to a percieved threat that turns out to be unjustified. I'm all for reducing these too.

At least some of the killings that cops do are justified though. I don't have an empirical basis for knowing what percentage of killings fit into what category, but I'm not prepared to condemn all killings by cops as being like terrorism.

 

murder is wrong.

killing random cops is wrong, and what good does that do anyway?

 

Penn Jillette was ranting more about the media who assists the hackes by spreading what they get I thought. Yes, he was admonishing those of us who read the stories too

 

Of course.

But who is arguing for killing random cops, or that it does any good? I haven't seen anything close to that, from anyone.

 

something close to a month ago, a two rookie NYPD officers were doing a "vertical inspection" of a brooklyn project building in east new york. this is where they go into a project building and patrol the staircases from the roof down. apparently the building was in pretty bad upkeep condition and didn't have working lights in the staircase, at least on some floors because the bulbs were burned out. a man entered the staircase (apparently after waiting for the elevator which never came, because it didn't work) and startled one of the officers who instinctively shot the man and killed him. the cop was of asian descent, the victim was black. this time, the victim seemed to be truly innocence, simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time. apparently these buildings are pretty dangerous, so cops often draw their guns in the stairwell.

there is something very wrong that leads to this sort of thing happening and its deeper than what the media makes it. the media always makes it about the cops, or the race of the victim but never about why in the fuck these types of situations exist. why the fuck do you have a building that's so dangerous that you need a gun to walk through. it just so happens a lot of the people living in such conditions are black but i think it goes beyond race. standards need to be higher than that.

 

It seems the cops feel that they are under siege.

The killings dramatically escalated tensions that have simmered for months over the deaths of young black men.

The siege mentality was evident in several memos circulating among the rank and file at the 35,000-officer New York Police Department, the nation's largest.

A union-generated message warned police officers they should respond to every radio call with two cars — "no matter what the opinion of the patrol supervisor" — and to not make arrests "unless absolutely necessary." The president of the detectives' union told members in a letter to work in threes when out on the street, wear bulletproof vests and keep aware of their surroundings.

"Cowards such as yesterday's killer strike when you are distracted and vulnerable," the letter read.

Another directive warned officer in Newark, New Jersey not to patrol alone and avoid people looking for confrontations with them.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/21/gunman-who-shot-and-killed-2-nypd-officers-had-troubled-past-mother-says/