A Quick History of Theory: Creationism and Evolution.

World wide disaster?
In recent [25k years]?
However the 'flood myth' seems to be only a local or centered on the med event. [mediterranean]
Where is evidence of a world flood anywhere but the med?
Occam knows of no major worldwide extinction event that has occurred anytime in the history of humanity.[the species]
by Occam.


First, I agree the med. event did occur, and I in one post somewhere I mention the layer of mud dividing two Sumerian civilizations.
The book above has copious, well explained, plausible repercussions of a large rock skimming our planet, approx. 9500 BC, C14 +-100yrs.
Many of the ancient flood myth attributes match what they concluded from the data they gathered, measured, and recorded.
I found their ability to match the evidence to the ancient traditional reports compelling.
You may not, but I think you would enjoy the book either way.
by BG13, in agreement with all, & disagreed with by all.

Blackguard.

Thank you for offering EVIDENCE...For occam to observe.
Rather than simply saying the evidence is just speculation that is false because everything was created by god in XXX BC 'cause THE BIBLE SAYS SO.

Occam

 

747..........blade of grass.

the single blade of grass is far more exquisitely and efficiently structured.
So..........
Lets just assume, for argument sake, that we are given the first leap of faith as a mulligan from God. He just plain says, that was made by me.
Even with that huge assumption being granted us, I sincerely have no idea how the conclusion that the "Christian" God must be the one, and the other options we could choose as the Divine creator, are by what criteria so convincingly ruled out.

 

Blackguard

Yes, a blade of grass is more exquisitly structured and beautifull than any rational creation of man.
Yet that is only because we have 'just begun to create'
Give us some leeway.
Who but a naysayer would have told a young keats that he would never write anything of worth?
Who but a naysayer says WE can never produce anything as exquisite as a blade of grass?

Who out there KNOWS our future?
NONE

Occam

 

So true, and I hope nothing I posted was misleading enough to suggest that I was saying we never will. I actually, lol, in my unacceptably eccentric view of history, feel it is not impossible that we already have in the distant past. Some prehistoric advanced civilization may have been at that stage. We are young, this time around. There is ample evidence hiding out in plain sight, that we were not always so young.
When asked what he thought of the marvels of modern technology, Thomas Edison was quoted as saying, "I'll be impressed when we can make a blade of grass." That was the source of my choice of examples.

 

Brock, why don't you tell everyone here what your version of creationism is. For example, do you believe the earth and people were created 6000 years ago? Or that God created the world 15 billion years ago? What exactly is your position?

Creationism initially sounds like a convenient way of explaining how things got here. It's fun to try to belittle the scientific approach and then vaguely say that something else must have caused it. But when you think about it, there are many more problems with creationism explanations than the scientific method.

 

Blackguard

Understood...And occam points out that the 'modern technology' described is only 'modern' to us...semi civilised apes.
We still communicate with ink on squashed tree matter.
We travel in machines powered by processed organics.
10% of our race are near death from starvation and 24,000 children die EACH DAY from starvation and deficiency problems..
We are hardly technological or even civilised by the standards of
WHAT WE COULD BE.

As occam has said before..We have taken the 'no-return' step on the ladder of technology and understanding...
That is..we have mounted the first step. Now that we are on the ladder , We must keep climbing..If we do not most of us will die.

The bridges were burnt..by our predecessors...


Occam

 

Menlo1

Exactly...

Creationism IS contradiction to everything we observe..

While rational observation says only....WAIT..we dont know enough yet to KNOW.

Occam

 

First - I dont have a 'version' of Creationism. However, Yahweh did and Moses wrote it down in a book called Genesis.
Scientific Observation meshes with this historical account.
I agree with what works.
Not 'my version'.

Also, I dont suddenly feel the need to 'explain to you' anything Menlo1
(even though I have posted HUNDREDS of 'positions' on this throughout Hipforums and you have posted what? F All?)

Secondly - Im not too too interested in the age of the Universe and neither are you.
The age of the Universe is only signifigant in that Evolutionists used to believe in 'Gradual incremental changes' and felt they needed at least 15 Million years.
Is it possible the Universe existed in 'Rough form' before the 6 days of Creation took place some 6,000 years ago?
Mehhhh Ya.. I suppose, I just dont see any good reason to try and 'read that into' Genesis account.

I dont agree with you.
I doubt the vast majority of people (religious or otherwise) would agree.
However,
This must have been your 'feeling' at first?

It does seem like many here (incl you) think its 'Fun' to try and belittle the Scientific Approach which is used most properly by Creationistists.

Its true this is usually followed by a very unspecific, unfalsifiable and 'mysterious' story about space-gas forming into soups, which 'somehow' became amphibians which morphed into Brontosaurus and Eagles and Monkey-Men.

No.
'When I think about it' I have less problems with the scientific method used by Creationists than I do with the Anti-Scientific Method used by Evolutionists like sayyy.. Occam

Im not surprised that YOU have 'many more problems' trying to understand Creationism though.

 

Brocktroon

But creationism..DOES NOT WORK. DOES NOT FIT..IT IS CONTRADICTORY TO REALITY

You spend a whole lot of words saying how other people agree with creationism.
Yet do you notice that occam NEVER says 'this many people believe in 'so and so'
The number of people that believe in a thing
HAS NO RELEVANCE to the truth of a thing..

Creationism does not explain anything.
CREATIONIST SCIENCE ..IS 3 WORDS
GOD MADE IT.
There is no creationist science.
Do creationists try to work out how god made everything...no.
They accept it...
And blind acceptance is not a science.

ALL other creationist literature seems to be an attempt to undermine any viable explanation other than GOD MADE IT.

Creationism discusts occam
It is the ultimate abandoning of reason.
It is NOT a viable alternative to evolution,,,for it is based in NO evidence,,
THAT SHOWS EVERYTHING JUST POPPED INTO BEING AS IS.

Creationism is a psuedo religious dogma that refuses to believe that any of it's members evolved from monkies.
It stands equal to solipsism

Occam

 

Nice to see you are still repeating your 'Premise' and backing it up with your 'Premise'.

"Evolutionism IS fact... my rationale.. becuase it IS fact"
Bravo!

Scientific Observation tells us that everything living has a PRE EXISTING Code to choose from whenever it re-creates itself.
[sometimes called Natural Selection]

I do not know how to DUMB THIS DOWN ANY FURTHER OCCAM!?

When YOU decide to believe that animals ADD information (by magic or space aliens or fairies.. i dunno?) then YOU ARE THE ONE MAKING UP NON-SCIENTIFIC Information.

I cant put it more simply that this.
If you can not understand why your Precious Evolutionism Myth IS THE FAKE STORY which btw CONTRADICTS WHAT IS OBSERVED.. then there is no hope for your thick monkey evolving skull!??

Its like I have to reduce this to:

DO YOU or DO YOU NOT believe Animals ADD Genetic INformation?
YES
OR
NO
???

If you say 'YEs'

IS THIS OBSERVED OR NOT?
YES?
OR
NO??

NO?

IS THAT SCIENTIFIC THINKING?

YES
or
NO???

 

i pick aliens, brock. Maybe Pleiadians, by way of Mars...
magic is a close second. I love watching magicians, don't you?
christian god as defined by most christians, is highly unlikely to me.

 

It would be 'neat' if you tried to answer all three 'yes or no' questions.

 

Umm, they contribute what they already have. They are just a link in the chain. Sometimes, things will change because of environmental influence upon the genetics of the sperm or the egg.

Animals 'give' what they 'give' because of what they are. They have genes from their parents, including any specific mutations caused by the environment they are part of (God's plan).

Scientific? You mean is there a way to apply knowledge of an animals genetic makeup that is useful? Yes. It's easier with plants, they are less complex. However, eventually God will teach humans to do neat tricks to animals too. I want a girl with boobies with whiskey in them. Or maybe rum and coke and coke.