Psychedelic Bump XXXIV

you should dose up that 2cp. It takes a long time to kick in, but once it does, you realize that things have gotten really far from normal reality in tiny little increments. It's an interesting experience. It doesn't really kick in all at once. At one point, you just notice that it has been there all along. I found that it was subtler than some phenethylamines, but very euphoric and fun. I laughed a lot. It's worth trying out, probably more so than methylone.

 

tis the season to take molly ,,, fa la la la la la..

 

nah, i don't think my LSD will degrade very quickly, since i have it stored tightly in a fridge, with desiccant. i suppose i could always make the switch to the freezer, but i'm more worried about moisture in there.

LSD only has a long shelf life when stored properly. i've personally stored blotters for about 3 years (in the fridge), without a noticeable loss in potency. but i've never held onto them for longer than that.


that really sucks if your blotters are degraded, writer. hopefully it's not so bad though, and they are still good enough to trip. do you plan on taking extra to compensate?

yeah i don't think i will ever eat that methylone. it was gifted to me as mdma, which i would be slighlty more interested in.

2cp i have been curious about, but it kinda got a lot of negative reviews. and since i get a lot of side effects from 2ce and -b, i have never been tempted quite enough to try -p. probably some day, but that duration requires some careful planning. luckil, the shelf life of 2cx is supposedly much longer than LSD

what dose(s) did you try of 2cp?

 

Just try to find users of non-psychedelic drugs talking about their concern over the number of years you can store your stash without using it...

I worried about condensation in the freezer, but came to the conclusion that if there was no moisture in the container, there would not be any moisture in the container later, so it was not a concern. Probably should have used desiccants though. Oh well, we're quite a few too many years down that road to really worry, we'll see what we see when we see.

 

freezers wisp away moisture, thats what they do, remove humidity. If your freezer is to high and you place a piece of unwrapped cheese in the refrigeration section it will dry out.

what if you really want is it to be without oxygen, and that you will never remove from a modern fridge going in an out of it all the time, and unless you light a candle and close the fridge it will always be in there ...

air tight jar and some argon gas would work /force the argon in and push the atmosphere out, close the lid.. done right only a small % of oxygen would remain.
you can buy a small argon cylinder at a welding gas store..

 

one other thing about storing a jar in the cold. you should let it warm up to room temp before opening it. this will prevent condensation from forming on the inside when you open the jar.

that was another reason i chose the fridge over the freezer - i opened it often

 

somewhere around 12mg. I think I wouldn't want to do more than 14, but its too weak below 8.

 

so you have tried it below 8 mg as well, or did you just try it once at 12 mg?

i received a 25 mg sample a long time ago, and weighed out 8.5 mg, and 10 mg hypothetical doses, with about 6 mg left over in the baggie.
i guess if i ever get around to taking it, i might as well start with 10 mg? i'd be apprehensive to start with more than 10, as that is Shulgin's suggested upper limit. if i had started out with 25 mg of 2ce (still haven't taken it that high), i think i would have been overwhelmed.




so writer, have you only taken 20 mg 2cb once in the past 2.5 years, or did you mean you have taken that dose of 2cb a few times since then?

 

the 10mg will be chill I think. The come-up is slow though, so set aside a lot of time.

 

with a newborn, time is something i don't have a lot of. i'll probably be able to trip again someday though :baby:

but i still enjoy talking about psychedelics at least. so what makes you think < 8 mg is too weak, hedge?
did you try a dose like that, or just from all the things you read?

did you write a report or anything on your experience(s) with 2c-p?

edit: wow, i just found it on erowid!
Excellent trip report, Hedge! very nice descriptions...i had slight tremors just from reading it

here's my first 2ce trip if anyone wants to read:
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=80186

i make it sound pretty damn awesome, especially from only 12 mg. that was when i hadn't tripped for a couple years though...
i don't think even ~20 mg would be that awesome for me now.

Hedge (and everyone), do you think that your initial trips with research chems tend to be "better" than later ones?

 

Personally, I've been using a lot more 'traditional' drugs than RC's lately. In fact, my drug use, in general, has decreased. I think, to a certain extent, any drug is best the first time you use it, but it also depends on where tou are at in life. If you've worked out a lot of your problems and hangups then a dose of a good RC later in life might be more enjoyable.

I'm probably a bad example. I haven't used a psychedelic RC in a pretty long time. I think the last thing I did was dose 2ce and it was a pretty bad trip. I did it when I should've been working, and I think I had other drugs in my system too, so it was really not super fun. 2ce is, however, the firs psychedelic I ever tried, and the first time I used it it was great. I don't think a lot of these drugs are really meant to be used many many times. There's so much variety that you could sample each on once or twice in your life and probably get enough of an experience out of it. With a few exceptions (namely 2c-b and 4-ho-mipt) I really find that the 'traditional' drugs are more reusable. I never find myself tiring of mushrooms, mescaline, or MDMA, but I don't do any one of those more than once or twice a year.

I think that the novelty of an experience makes it more memorable, so no matter how it actually feels while you're on the drug, the first time you try any of them is going to take up the biggest space in your mind, and it's going to have the most positive nostalgia associated with it.

 

thanks for the response, hedge. i agree that i don't think that these RCs are "meant" to be consumed more than a handful of times each. or maybe we both just read something about that being Shulgin's personal opinion?

with 2ce, and even 2cb and 4-ho-mipt for me, i feel that i kind of overused them and they lost some of their novelty. maybe that's simply because i tripped too often, so that's what i'm saving my last few doses of 2ce and 2cb for - years later when i haven't used them in a decade or so - the novelty should be back by then.

i don't find the same thing to be true for LSD though. i can eat that stuff somewhat often just fine!

 

I agree with you about LSD, but I feel the same way about mescaline and mushrooms.

I think it really is about how often you do it, especially with phenethylamines. I am really happy that I stopped using MDMA regularly enough that I haven't "lost the magic". I only take it once or twice a year now, but every time I do, I find that some of my friends really don't seem to be getting the same thing out of the experience. To them, it seems more like a regular drug trip, but it still feels very special to me.

Since I discovered synthetic mescaline, I've been very happy with that. I think that it's influence is very present in 2c-x trips. You can really feel how each one is a unique element of the mescaline experience, which is interesting. But when it comes to having really pleasant trips, I'd rather just take mescaline.

I definitely think Shulgin's personal opinion should be taken into consideration. I mean, there is really no greater expert on these drugs as things stand. Hopefully someday we will get to do more research and understand them better.

 

yeah i think Shulgin's opinion should definitely be taken into consideration. i think his dosage suggestions are quite appropriate, although on the low end to some of us.

but i also think Shulgin had different ambitions than most of us. he was aiming to create new psychedelics, so he would sample one until he reached the desired level of activity, note it in his research, and move on...maybe after a get together or two with friends and loved ones. at least that's kinda what PiHKAL made it sound like. but i don't know if he felt quite the same way about the magical half dozen (as far as the number of times to dose a particular chemical). maybe he liked to dose them more often?

i wonder if Shulgin dosing 100s of chemicals just a couple of times each is really that different than, someone dosing just a couple of RCs dozens and dozens of times each?
maybe that's how he stayed healthy for so long - by mixing it up?


i've never had to pleasure of tripping on mescaline, and i've tripped on shrooms less than most other psychedelics i've tried.

 

I think that mixing it up a lot is a really good idea when it comes to drugs. Variety of different experiences > Quantity of one experience

 

I don't think he was mincing words, calling things like LSD words like fantastic. He certainly enjoyed psychedelics and being around them and doing them. Just like us, that doesn't mean taking them all the time (see previous discussion about how many years you can store acid), even if you like them, but he definitely liked them in general, I think he was always plain about that.

I mean, when he's listing the great aspects of psychedelics, it's not like he's saying you should be able to cross a lot of red tape and take them three times in a study right before you die, or something - he was also clear about arguing for repeal of drug law, not just narrow semi-acceptance and tight regulation.

It was a lot more than just making a list.

 

^^yeah i don't disagree with any of that, roor. i know shulgin was definitely a fan of psychedelics, and was in favor of upholding the personal freedom for an individual to ingest whatever they wish. i own copies of PiHKAL and TiHKAL, one of my favorite quotes of his goes something like "i am the sole guardian of the borders of my own body. i am the coast guard, security, etc. no one but me decides what can enter this domain"

it was a lot more eloquent than that i'm sure, but it gets the point across.

but i still think Shulgin ingested psychedelics for different reasons that most of us. sure, he enjoyed tripping like the rest of us, and he didn't deny that. but he was also interested in creating new compounds and finding their level of activity. with many of the 100s of chemicals he created, after he found the active level (or did not find one after several trials), he moved on to the next synthesis. i mean, one man can only do so much.
so for this reason, i think it's not hard to see why Shulgin didn't tend to trip on the same chemical as much as some of us may. i would wager that there are at least a couple people on these forums who have eaten more 2c-e, for example, than Shulgin ever did.

 

Yeah I don't think Shulgin ever used any psychedelic more than a few times in his life. He was just so bust working on the next thing. Ones that were significant to him like 2-cb he probably explored a little more. But I think I can safely say I and the average user have used his drugs more often then he ever did. I don't think that necessarily made him healthier. The drugs were all acting on the same areas of the brain so I think the repeated exposure is the same even if the chemicals are all tweaking those receptors in a slightly different way.

 

Shulgin once took MDMA for something like 5 days in a row (maybe even 7?) just to test the effects of tolerance and claimed to feel not too bad afterwards.

If that isn't someone who can handle repeat use of substances, I don't know what is.

 

Hey all, haven't been around in a hot minute. Missed you guys. Reading up on all your experiences is great. I'm happily getting back into the healthy stuff, working out everyday with my new roommates, getting my mind right trying to stay positive. Hope all is well. I'll be around a lot more often.