The Clear Light

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by Meagain, Sep 24, 2014.

  1. MeatyMushroom

    MeatyMushroom Juggle Tings Proppuh

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    How about... the absence of the concept of relativity?


    [SIZE=13.63636302948px]Ultimate reality sounds so grand, it makes me sceptical :D[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=13.63636302948px]The way I'm picturing this is more of an eddy in the river of time. A place of stillness, where the reflections of environment are clear and undisturbed by turbulence. [/SIZE]

    Bringing in the theory of relativity, when time stops where does space go?


    This has reminded me of something I'd like to rewatch..

    http://youtu.be/-d4ugppcRUE
     
  2. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Well it seems to me that space and time are interrelated. You can't have one without the other. I believe that was Einstein's point.

    But in a "Clear Light" experience the time/space experience only stops for the experiencer, not everyone else.
    Same with Advaita Vedanta and the state of dreamless sleep. Everything disappears for the one in dreamless sleep, yet the world carries on for everyone else. In addition, the dreamless sleeper can be awakened, so their individual consciousness does not completely suspend.

    If I get time I'll watch that video.
     
  3. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake resigned HipForums Supporter

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    How indeed.

    I don't know how it could ever be validated by any scientific means. It would be interesting though if brain scans could be done on people having the experience. Not that scans would answer the question as to if it's the ultimate reality or not, but it would be interesting to see what's happening to the brain.

    Studies done in the UK recently on people under the effects of psilocybin, some of whom report mystical type experiences, show marked differences in brain activity compared to the normal state. There's also some correlation between brain activity on psilocybin and in states of deep meditation.
     
  4. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    I think our common experience suggests we do not experience reality ultimately but in an ongoing basis. I think our common experience of clear light suggests that it is something we experience transiently having been somehow entranced. A world of light can be seen as a flood or a single photon and the clear light represents a value or degree of illumination. Illumination which we could equate to degree of consciousness, having a spectral range from bright to dim and back again redundantly. There is an emotional component to the experience of clear light that could be described as unencumbered emotional space or similarly in visual terms clear or unadulterated perception. You can recall this space through cultivating memory which is it's practical value having once been seen it becomes part of the way you see.
     
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  5. Monkey Boy

    Monkey Boy Senior Member

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    Clear Light is seeing everything as it is in the present moment. It's not beyond the senses, but the senses are amplified. "Normal" experience is seeing everything through the lense of the mind which actually distorts reality. To me ordinary experience is a dream and clear light is being fully awake.
     
  6. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    But cripey , what then ... as when it becomes an aspect of the way you are seen ?
     
  7. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    I don't understand the question. Isn't it all by way of seeing?
     
  8. ravi25

    ravi25 Guest

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    It depends on the criteria or parameter that you set on what you think or believe the 'ultimate reality' should be.

    If you think the state of love and bliss are some of the qualifying parameters, then this nondual state is also the state of love and bliss and joy.

    When you experience this for an extended span of time,ideally in the midst of nature or in an secluded seashore, you are left with deep bliss and sensitivity in the heart which is quite perceptible.


    Jiddu Krishnamurti expresses this in following words...

    When the heart is empty of the things of the mind, and the mind is empty of thought, then is there love. That which is empty is inexhaustible.
     
  9. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Yeah, but it is still subjective.
     
  10. ravi25

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    It is subjective in the sense that this state is attained by the individual on account of spiritual austerities done in this regard. This cannot manifest in others around you. ( Except in the case of an enlightened master or Avatar)

    However, in this state, one does emit very positive vibrations of love, joy and peace, and this can influence others around you for the better , making them too more peaceful, happier and healthier. Even nature itself rejoices and benefits from these vibrations.

    But modern man is highly unconscious, and this inner pollution within manifests in outer pollution in nature too.
     

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