Republicans Have No Solutions

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Motion, Sep 1, 2014.

  1. McFuddy

    McFuddy Visitor

    I'm guessing it'll be tax cuts for the wealthy, gutting the EPA, and deregulating big business. Just taking a stab in the dark here. Basically the same thing they've been doing since the early 80's... and its worked out so fucking well that we're gonna go through it one... more... time...
     
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  2. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Don't forget amendments to the ACA designed to cripple it.
     
  3. GeorgeJetStoned

    GeorgeJetStoned Odd Member

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    Maybe it's an age thing, but I don't see where either political party has done the US any favors. They ALL seem to be in it for their own wallet and the accounts of their campaign supporters. We can find examples of stupid shit on both sides, so trying to point one of them out as the sole cause of all the shit is a fanatic's errand.

    I'm more than a half century old and the issues I have heard about my whole life are:
    The Mexican border
    Drug laws
    Wars of dubious cause
    The Yo-yo economy
    Abortion
    Civil Rights
    Equal Rights
    Women's Liberation
    Starving kids in Africa
    Diseased kids in Central America
    Dangerous news cars
    Pollution
    Crooked cops
    Crooked politicians
    Evil white people
    Poverty in the US
    Violence/sex in film

    I'm sure there are a few others. All of them get measured attention from both parties (I don't see the libertarians as a party and the Green party is insane).
     
  4. sunfighter

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    Why is the Green Party insane? I've never heard anyone say that.
     
  5. takethedirtroad

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    Both parts suck they both speak lies and have no idea how to relate to the common man or woman if our forefathers were hear today they would have already kicked these yahoos to the curb.
     
  6. Karen_J

    Karen_J Visitor

    I've thought about this several times recently. What I keep coming back to is that it must be a terrible way to go through life, constantly worried and angry about the direction of everything. Friendships and good times don't happen much because everyone outside the family is viewed with suspicion. I have a neighbor like that, and he seems to be miserable all the time.

    Another bad thing about the current political dynamic is that every election is decided by undecided swing voters in the political center, who are probably the least qualified people on earth to decide anything important. Studies have shown that they have the lowest levels of knowledge and interest in political matters, and are easily swayed by relatively unimportant things and disinformation on TV.
     
  7. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    To me it doesn't sound like a bad thing that an (or every) election is decided by swing voters, or better said voters that do not connect themselves to a party out of loyalty or because it is the more leftist etc. etc. The bad thing is that people make their decisions on one important matter (like abortion or gay rights), indeed often convinced by some stupid TV item were one politician's charm is working and the other is not, and don't seem to look further. This seems not limited to swing voters at all.
     
  8. Karen_J

    Karen_J Visitor

    We also often refer to this group as low information voters, because they are the most likely to give factually incorrect answers on national surveys to questions about important issues. Many of them are on the sophistication level of brainless Hollywood celebrities who think Europe is the name of a country.
     
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  9. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Like Africa.
     
  10. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Sounds like a stereotypical generalisation to me. Here swing voters come in all forms and I'm sure there as well. Actually I am a swing voter myself.
     
  11. Karen_J

    Karen_J Visitor

    Polls and surveys are done every year.

    :bomb: Must...not...make the obvious comment [​IMG]
     
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  12. Asmodean

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    Well, I am convinced it says nothing about a person in the netherlands (which has/makes more use for multiple parties) so I am not convinced they are all as stupid as you say they are over there. If one can not decide to vote on either the republican party or the democrats and decides what to vote on the last day that already makes them a swing voter right? So why oversimplify things and condemn them every such person as stupid just because some poll tells you the majority of them (ah well at least the ones that did partake in that poll or survey) can't answer a political question.
     
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  13. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    Is it any more brainless than simply filling in the blank next to the letter D or the letter R every single time without doing any actual research?
     
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  14. Karen_J

    Karen_J Visitor

    Yes.

    I've said nothing about your country. I have no understanding of your political situation.
     
  15. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    What I am saying with that and with what I explained after it is that it doesn't make sense to oversimplify swing voters as you did. I just added that I was talking about the netherlands to clarify I am not an american voter.
    I don't think they are all (or the far majority) as stupid as you portray them. Even if half of them couldn't tell you shit about your own country's politics I am sure that counts just the same for a certain amount of republican or democrat voters. So how you were posting about them implied they are pretty stupid while in my opinion it makes a lot of sense to be a swing voter by default. Also in your country.



    Why is being a swing voter more brainless than blindly supporting a party or not vote at all?
     
  16. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Well they may not be blindly supporting a particular party but feel that party, on average, is the better party out of all possible alternatives.

    A person that supports (or is registered to) a particular party most of the time can still cross vote if they find a worthy candidate of another party.

    Except in some state primaries when they can only vote for the party they are registered to. Independents can only vote for registered Independents, Republicans for Republicans, Democrats for Democrats, Green for Green, and so on.
     
  17. Karen_J

    Karen_J Visitor

    You might feel differently if you lived here. I doubt if you've ever personally encountered anything like our Republican Party. You live in one of the most liberal countries on the planet.

    Blind support? Many party loyalists understand their party and its positions extremely well, and have put a lot of careful thought into choosing a party.

    The time for me to research candidates is prior to party primary elections. Once those selections have been made, I expect the winners to support the party platform, as they move on to campaign for the general election.

    Republican primaries almost always filter out candidates that are moderate enough to earn my consideration.
     
  18. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    Wow I'm sorry you feel that way Karen

    I'm personally glad there's strong opposition to my stance out there. Not that I support a majority party like you. However even if one party alligned with all my political viewpoints nicely, I'd still want there to be more than one opposition party. Without the opposition, there's no checks and balances. Without checks and balances, the whole establishment goes mad with power and the people lose.
     
  19. Karen_J

    Karen_J Visitor

    I've seen plenty of that in the past two years. Democrats at the state level in NC are completely powerless. When asked by the media about the rights of the minority party, one Republican leader reportedly said, "Those people have the right to move to another state."
     
  20. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    Thats why they've created a red state vs blue state system so they can control the outcome of national elections more effectively to their own will. It has encouraged lefties to move to the coast and righties to move to the mountains.
     

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