Usa Government Is Withholding 2100 Photos Of Torture

UNBROKEN=Laura Hilllenbrand. 2nd world war tale. The Japanese were as bad as this ISIS we read about.

Germans=The same.

Some German prisoners of war were brought to the San Joaquin valley to work on farms near my hometown. We treated them quite differently
than they treated our prisoners. What happened to our country that we now think torture is in ANY way humane,useful and that there
are those that think that THIS COUNTRY should do the same kinds of things in which the aforementioned participated?

Are we to act like ISIS to defeat ISIS? Unfortunately, probably so.

( I spelled her name wrong, initially.)

 

It's to do with the human family. So the question still stands. What good's your capital punishment going to do? Give some 'closure' to the families of the tortured prisoners? To you?

How 'appropriate'? So it's hung now rather than shot? Are you going to answer Vances hypothetical by the way? Dwelling on it prima facie, I'd not waterboard the silent grinning captor of my family, since it could cause his death and I'd not then find out where he'd hidden them. Would you suggest something else? Gunshot to the kneecap? What would you recommend?


Sheela:

You already derailed it by bringing it up. You always like to tease everyone with your "knowledge" of satans identity, then run off claiming thread derailment! lol Come on Sheela, is it your ex?

 

You seem to have neglected the fact that this discussion started about a federal court ruling on the matter of 2100 pictures that America's government is withholding.. Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld stated publically that these pictures show worse torture than the first batch. Now, this is where I expect you to understand that a crime has been committed. It is a war crime under international law. It also fits under the description of crime against humanity. So me and my family are not going to be equivocated or classed by you on this issue. We haven't done anything wrong. I do think that the world needs a deterent that works against war crimes by the usually untouchable American troops. Remember Mei Lai? Old Calley was promoted. And Thompson saw what he did. Now, these Abu Ghraib Torture crminals should be prosecuted first and after convicted they should be turned over to the Iraqis. The Iraqis hung Saddam Hussain and can get some new rope.

 

You and your family are not being classed by me. I do find it 'telling' that you won't answer Vances question. Do you think education could one day render punishment nothing more than a feature in our history? To what degree does your short-sightedness hinder your vision? Perhaps we should pluck out your offended eyes? lol Good luck having your 'deterrent' implemented. :bobby: oliceman: :mickey:

 

You haven't made a single statement that relates to the existing topic. What are you on?

 

Nope, 'we' just have to kill, not torture

 

Did they teached you that in school?

 

I'm on point. What are you on to think I'm not relating to your topic? The reason you gave for wanting to shoot and hang U.S. troops who've committed acts ranging from what I imagine ( not having seen the 2100 photos ) to be various forms of coercion, rape, torture, through to murder, - as a deterrant to such acts - is obviously brilliant, I must just be missing something. How do you cope with your tremendous insight? It's clear that the world itself would be a war-crime without this sort of intelligence.

 

Donald Rumsfeld said the 2100 pictures are worse than what we have already seen. What we have already seen is enough to bring US troops, and the ones who ordered them do do such acts, to an international war crimes tribunal. That process was the prefered venue when US officials prosecuted German war criminals. The gallows and the rifle squad are just methods that are commonly used to dispose of war criminals, like the ones who you defend.

 

"Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war."
- Donald Rumsfeld

What does the idea that we could stop killing eachother mean to you? Are you afraid it's not on topic? I can't defend anyones actions but my own. I can't, for instance, defend your cowardly call for capital punishment. Here's another hypothetcial I can't imagine you having the balls to entertain: An officer is ordered to beat a p.o.w. within an inch of his life and he complies. Under your preferred regime, which method, 'commonly used' or otherwise, do you choose for his and his c.o.'s disposal.
A. Rifle Squad. B. Gallows. C. Lethal injection. D. Electric Chair. E. Guillotine. F. Falling. G. Gibbeting.

 

Who wants to view 2100 photos of torture anyway? They can file up the other million photos and lock them away for all I fucking care.

 

1) I did not ask you to defend my actions. or anything I call for. I wouldn't ask for help from you.
2) The US government prosecuted and hung lots of Japanese troops after WWII for exactly the same thing that US troops did in Iraq. I would like to see justice done this time too.
3) Don't waste my time with your hypothetical (correct spelling) scenario.
4) US troops tortured Sami Al Hajj and Binyam Mohammad. These members of the United States Armed Forces need to stand trial at the International War Crimes Tribunal in Baghdad; and, when convicted they should get the same thing that the Germans and Japanese got, good strong rope.

 

Why don't you discuss your little fantasy with Sami al-Hajj and Binyam Mohamed? Perhaps a doctor also?

 

Why don't you and your war criminal buddies discuss things with your defense attorney? Perhaps a psychiatrist also?

 

Well this conversation stopped being productive...

 

I feel like I'm having a dejavu.

 

Excuse you, Dejavu .. I wrote IN CONTEXT of the topic but you're hell-bent and determined to "dance" with me because you don't like religion and religious truths. You won't ever pass over what isn't even an opportunity or invite for you, but you just cannot resist. And there you did it again, dragging things from other topics in a torture thread .. it is you who is derailing the thread. Clearly and obviously.

I spoke directly to the sort of instances in which people, or a person, may DEFEND torture. In the instance of my example (lucifer) I used a word: deconstruct.

Don't you know what torture does? What purpose it serves? Deconstruction, transformation. If you knew and understood lucifer, you'd know that not only is he NOT god (he WANTS to be) he isn't even a god. He's an archangel. Oh, but you don't believe in archangels, ha, so none of this is going to register in your mind. You won't focus correctly and you'll insist on your nitpicking in the name of hell no, you won't ever "believe".

In my example of selective torture, deconstructing somebody who has an overblown ego is an example of why torture might be used and what it would achieve. There's torment for that. Torment and torture are two closely related words ("the smoke of their torment rises up forever and ever" ~ it's scripture).

 

I have photos of torture. Wanna see 'em? It's so personal though so somebody might want to shove it all behind a door of shame called a closet, lmao.

 

Sheela, you spoke of lucifer and how he's a human being you know and how you want to torture him. I'm sure all the mods and everyone on the thread approve of your position. :dizzy2:

So I should seek help because unlike you I don't want to kill anyone? Ask the men you mention who were detained and tortured how they feel about your dream. Write them a letter perhaps. "Dear Sami/Binyam, I want the men who hurt you executed. Are we friends yet? Yours sincerely, Stormountainman."

 

Correct, he is a human being. Want to see a picture of him? lol

Like I care who does or does not "approve" of my "position"? What's a remark like that supposed to stand for, anyway?

The topic of this thread is torture. My first post in this thread is about a poll of the American people in which 52% of Americans believe it is okay to torture. I then said 52% of Americans should be tortured and then answer that question again.

I also asked some questions that you haven't answered or acknowledged because, clearly, you are a torturer and your only intent is to torture me. For your sadistic amusement and pleasure. Are you murican?