Our Immigration System Is Broken

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Piney, Sep 4, 2014.

  1. aesthetic

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    A county should not have the right to establish borders.
     
  2. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Some would say borders are what makes a country (physically at least).
     
  3. Anaximenes

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    I wish the U.N. would present it's position more on this matter, i.e. over the agreeable common agreements. Thank you, I'm out of here.
     
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  4. Individual

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    I'm still wondering what is being claimed as 'broken' relative to the U.S. immigration system.
     
  5. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    In that case I am happy to see the Netherlands with be an Arabic-speaking country in less than a decade.
     
  6. neodude1212

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    Where posting on Hipforums will get you an automatic stoning.
     
  7. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    There is no immigration system -- we simply let people flood into this country then leach off the system that we pay into as American taxpayers. It's just another way of bankrupting the country and bringing it down to a third-world status. Only fucked up countries like the US and UK allow outside populations to flood into their countries unchecked and essentially take over. Here it's the Mexicans. In the UK it's the Arabs/Muslims.

    Then when someone who was born and raised in this country (and paid into the system) runs into tough times, it's oh well for you.

    Funny how that works.
     
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  8. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Politically incorrect response:

    Because many of the people who come to this country come here for the freebies they get just for being in this country, whether they actually come here to work or not. The Democrats pander to these people, which is not to say the Republicans don't. They're just not as obvious about it as to maintain appeal to their base which is less sympathetic to immigrants than the other side.
     
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  9. Asmodean

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    You're funny, amigo.
     
  10. Meliai

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    people have always been nomadic. If Europe is heavily influenced by Islamic culture and America is influenced by Mexican culture its because it is in the very nature of humanity. Humans have always moved to where the water/good soil/money/better life is.
     
  11. Asmodean

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    Sure but I thought scientific estimations were made about the spanish speaking people in the US becoming the majority, if I recall right it doesn't even take a century. It is not the same with arabic speaking people in my european country at least, and am pretty sure in most others neither.
     
  12. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    In the Netherlands

    [SIZE=10pt]Dutch, the official language, is spoken by around 90% of the population. Around 350,000 people, or 2.2% of the population, speak Frisian as their first language, mainly in the northern province of Friesland, where it is recognised as an official language. Turkish and Arabic are also spoken in the Netherlands, each by over 0.6% of the population.[/SIZE]

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/languages/european_languages/countries/netherlands.shtml

    In the UK

    English (English or Welsh if in Wales) 49,808,000 or 92.3% of the population (582,000 welsh speakers)
    Arabic 159,000 or 0.3%

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/2011-census-top-20-languages-1563629
     
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  13. Balbus

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    Have you the evidence?

    Immigrant labor-force participation is consistently higher than native-born, and immigrant workers make up a larger share of the U.S. labor force (12.4%) than they do the U.S. population (11.5%). Moreover, the ratio between immigrant use of public benefits and the amount of taxes they pay is consistently favorable to the U.S., unless the “study” was undertaken by an anti-immigrant group. In one estimate, immigrants earn about $240 billion a year, pay about $90 billion a year in taxes, and use about $5 billion in public benefits. In another cut of the data, immigrant tax payments total $20 to $30 billion more than the amount of government services they use.

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    The Social Security Administration estimates that half to three-quarters of undocumented immigrants pay federal, state and local taxes, including $6 billion to $7 billion in Social Security taxes for benefits they will never get.



    Who is trying to do this? Its not another of your conspiracy theories is it? I mean the last time we talked about such things you claimed all such stuff was all down to Lucifer worshipers.



    The UK has one of the toughest immigration laws in Europe. And Arabic speakers only make up around 0.3% of the population.

    But the US and UK are two of the most neo-liberal countries economically (this form of free market things is often called the Anglo-American model)

    And immigration can be ‘business friendly’ I mean Unskilled immigrants even (or especially) illegal ones are a cheap labour force that advantage those employing them and its argued bring down wages across the board again advantaging employers.

    Bringing in more skilled labour can mean not having to spend so much up-skilling your domestic labour force – people educated or trained somewhere else got their education and training paid for by someone else. Again that can advantage employers.
     
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  14. Asmodean

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    Did you notice any percentages of spanish and english speaking people in the US?
     
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    oh the paranoids are at it again..
     
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  16. Balbus

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    Asmo

    Do you not have Google my friend?

    “According to the 2012 American Community Survey conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau, Spanish is the primary language spoken at home by 38.3 million people aged five or older, a figure more than double that of 1990” [13% of US population] wiki

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_language_in_the_United_States

    German was the most spoken language in the US after English right up to WWI

    But then English itself is a testament to the changes in British demographics, celts, anglo-saxons (germans), Vikings (Scandinavians) Norman French, words from the empire

    A good book is -

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Adventure-English-Melvyn-Bragg/dp/0340829931
     
  17. Asmodean

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    I do (have access to google) but you were on a roll :)
     
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