Why would a higher power do this?

Discussion in 'Mind Games' started by Coleco, Mar 4, 2014.

  1. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    I see it as indirectly divine I guess. No direct divine intervention. To be clear and like I said earlier: when I look at the world I am always inclined to think there is a creating force we could call God rather than not ;)

    edit: so I can relate to what you feel and see and also how you connect the belief of a higher being that created that and us and more... I do not see how you see Him shaping or intervening directly when we know the sunset and rise are fixed things and eyes have sparkled as long as humans existed. I can understand though! Just not see it like that myself :)
     
  2. thedope

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    Trying to find order and substituting a guess are not the same.
     
  3. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    But the effort to do either can come from the same urge.
     
  4. thedope

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    Obviously the mind is creative and the mind is not unique to you. The etymological meaning of the word god is that which we invoke.
     
  5. thedope

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    That's true but the assertion was whether the later effort was wise.
     
  6. Ducati1198

    Ducati1198 Banned

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    "Men think epilepsy divine, merely because they do not understand it. We will one day understand what causes it, and then cease to call it divine. And so it is with everything in the universe." - Hippocrates (c. 460-377 BCE)
     
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  7. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    i don't know how many, if any, of these things i would credit to, nor blame on, any sort of higher power nor committee of them.

    #1 is one of a number of pretty good reasons to consider something all powerful and wanting a new live toy to play with, is probably not why and how our species, or any species, came into being.

    #3 is a mostly a cultural perception. if your ideal living person didn't need a digestive tract, why would it be harmed by 'sexual' activity? unless you're talking about people who would wish other people to suffer for them to enjoy doing so, which most of so called child molesting isn't. and in which case neither age nor sex would directly be a factor.

    ok well all of these things are pretty much the same, and don't really have anything to do with anything other then the question of the participation of the nonphysical in the coming into being of the human species as we thing we know it today.

    to me this is not a very interesting question, and has nothing to do with the likelihood nor ability of anything to exist.

    maybe these are life or death questions to fanatics of a number of beliefs, but to me, they are nothing a higher power, as the o.p. put it, would need to have had anything to do with. optionally could have i suppose, but not vital to the existence of such things, should they choose to exist.

    as for grossness and attractiveness, these are really subjective and seen through the cultural distortions of the eye of the beholder.

    people creating conditions which prevent the happiness of other, often believe they are living by some fanatical interpretation of a religious belief. but this is not the only reason or context in which it is done.

    at any rate, religious beliefs are for the most part, what humans have come up with ourselves, while whatever 'higher powers' may actually exist, may have little if anything to actually do with.
     
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  8. sunyatasamsara

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    In the religion I follow and personal beliefs all realities are dreams. So the answer to your question is to make the dream seem real. ;)
     
  9. Warden Wells

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    I think trying to understand what is literally beyond our understanding is like mind-fucking yourself. Why bother?

    Personally if there's a higher power, I think it exists outside of our perception of time and space and likes to shake the petri dish so it can read threads like this one. Hi God!
     
  10. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    to me, a more interesting question is why would humans want to convice each other that something greater then themselve would want to do any of those things.

    i don't think those questions are really about what else might or might not want to exist, but about how people want to convince each other to act.

    the big friendly invisible thing that gives great hugs, isn't at war with anything, doesn't micro-manage, may not even be infallable, and certainly owes nothing to anything else anyone may claim to know about it.

    just because there are books written by people thousands of years ago, doesn't mean they weren't just as full of shit as people writing books today.

    gods are things that may exist. beliefs are things that people have made up.
     
  11. volunteer_tommy

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    There is no god, but if there were, he would be a drama llama
     
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  12. AceK

    AceK Scientia Potentia Est

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    throughout history men have turned to god to explain what they cannot explain. given enough time, these problems are eventually solved until the next hurdle, and god is again invoked to fill the gap in man's understanding of the world
     
  13. Moonglow181

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    How can something be invoked that does not exist?
     
  14. AceK

    AceK Scientia Potentia Est

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    it is created by the mind to fill in the lack of understanding and so often at that point further understanding is never reached. an unsolvable problem can never be solved if you already know the answer ..
     
  15. Moonglow181

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    Yeah, DAMN, I wish I was wrong, sometimes....LOL
     
  16. AceK

    AceK Scientia Potentia Est

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    ignorance is bliss, that's what they say
     
  17. Tyrsonswood

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    That's what the ignorant say... Right?
     
  18. AceK

    AceK Scientia Potentia Est

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    yep. answering a difficult question yields yet more unanswered questions. much easier to just either accept you don't know and never will, or to believe you already have the answer and never challenge that answer
     
  19. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Like hope? I think hope is a good example of invoking something that does not physically exist, yet can be very beneficial and make all the difference in a person's attitude.
     
  20. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    No, I think it came from the people who looked to far and found nothing. How often they'd wish they did not got their conclusion that there is no point or purpose when they look at their 'ignorant' yet happy fellow people being busy pursuing and hanging in their 'trivial' goals and mindsets.
     

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