A Peaceful non-violent society is inevitable

I agree.
What is hard to understand is the nonsensical, inflammatory ramblings of a paranoid schizophrenic moron.

it is a weak and feeble mind that can not comprehend things beyond black and white.

 

and they will remain unanswered.
logistics are a bitch,
something these anti-government utopia seekers tend to forget.

 

That's called the human condition? No! You are referring to the human nature of how understanding considers some structure to the emotional consciousness.

I mean to say: enough of failing human nature.:daisy:

 

First off the tier 1 and 2 system, was more aimed and answering Meilai's question or topic about how I saw certain issues in the rank of their importance from my subjective perspective.


The topic was partly inspired by your former post basically talking about political topics like (abortion, and other sensationalized political topics) being NOT the big picture.

That part of my post was not meant for you to analyze in it or respond to it in the way that you did, so your reply and conclusions based on that part of my post are skew.


In regards to bribary, fraud, lies, and force, I totally get that that happens and I know most people liberal or conservative, are pissed off when that kinda thing happens.

Where I differ from you here, is that instead of throwing all of government out entirely, I advocate average citizens learning how the political process works, and the specifics about WHY politicians are easily bribed and prone to corruption.

Teach people how to track where the money is flowing to and from, like journalists are trained to track, and more of this stuff can be brought to light.

I personally still stick by the origin of corruption on well-intentioned candidates (who aren't incumbents) being or occurring in the campaign finance process.


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In regards to Europe's economic fiasco and situation being related to your views, you have to understand the connection of how foreign economies share in the demand for commodities that the USA's economy is also competing for.

That directly connects USA and Europe's economies together to a large degree, especially when currencies are changed for other currencies, among businesses and businessmen that travel for their jobs.

It also connects to your ideals/concepts, because the concept of "cutting spending" comes from classical economic theory, which is the same theory or ideas that drive monetary policy.

Whether that monetary policy happens in a European government, or the USA's government the economic ideals about expanding and contracting the economy in the generic sense, comes from the same academic philosophy.


The law of "Supply and Demand" occurs in the USA, as it does in Europe, and in China or anywhere else because it's a concept, same thing with the concept and phenomena of inflation, among many other economic terms and concepts.

 

WTF dude, stop smoking whatever it is your smoking...or smoke more of it, something, anything that will help you communicate in a fashion that the rest of us can actually comprehend and relate to the topic at hand.

No, I'm talking about simple shit like how do you get the lettuce from the farm to the city/urban centers?

It's simple shit like that that folks like Stp tend to sidestep or not fully comprehend how much of a logistical bitch a society such as he proposes would be in reality.

simply put, there are just too many people for any type of egalitarian/barter/anarchy/whatever the fuck you want system to function and still provide the resources and services that the current fucked up system manages to provide.

 

Yeah, you hate being called what you call yourself I don't want to talk to people that are so closed-minded, that they change their idea of what they believe, everytime they're called out on it...

 

I dont call myself a leftist or liberal, that's why its confusing when you call me that.

I dont think any of us are close minded either, we're just not going to change our minds because someone is rudely telling us what to think while calling us names.

 

Oh, I'm pretty sure there is one person in this thread with a closed mind, all the rest are liberals.

 

Nope taxes are lower than ever. The reason is, businesses are taking advantage of free trade agreements and are producing goods with virtual slave labor from oversees.

 

Liberal, leftists and, Obama supporters, isn't "names" first of all. Second of all, I often try to remain friendly, and I still get the same knee-jerk reactions

 

:smilielol5:
LOL, Bwuahahahahaha.....

you accusing others of "knee-jerk reactions"....
bwuahahahahaha :rofl:

Have you ever considered comedy as a profession?

 

Seriously though, "aren't" is the proper word to use, and no they are not names, well except "Obama", they are labels that you employ in order to avoid dealing with the vagaries that are politics, opposing ideas or even people who simply don't agree with you.
It is much easier and emotionally safer for you to label a person because then you have already determined all you need to know about them and their beliefs based on the labels YOU ascribed to them and don't have to actually consider anything they may say in opposition to you.

Really pretty fucking sad when I think about it.

you want it to all be black and white, us vs them, when it is a spectrum with no clearly defined borders.

THAT is what presents you with so much frustration and anger about all this bullshit, because reality doesn't come in only black and white.

 

Bumping my own post because it was kinda ignored, but was addressing STP's question about how his views connected to my comment regarding Europe's economy and specifically what was going on with the EU bailouts of Greece and Portugal, and the German government's spending cuts, not actually pulling that country out of Recession over there.

I honestly thing, spending cuts need to happen in certain areas, but in other areas on a specific (again case by case basis) case by case basis, spending should increase on certain programs that stabilize the economy.

So in my view, I think I kinda personally believe in a mashup of both Keynesian economics, Austrian economics, and details of trickle-down economics.

Noxious, has a point, you aren't treating the labels of "Liberal and Conservative" as a spectrum in terms of how you are understanding other people.



To answer your question regarding healthcare naturalistic medicines, I actually think healthcare companies SHOULD be covering various therapies and treatments that are considered naturalistic or alternative medicine. The fact that some policies don't cover it, I think is a huge error, and actual loss of marketshare for them, to combat hospitals charging the insurance companies an arm and a leg.

 

Yea, I called you guys knee-jerk reactionaries, because you are.


Ignorant, band wagon Liberals, who always think you're Right.


Meanwhile, you're just Government tools who want to increase spending and Government force.


Fuck off. Especially you, Noxious. I think you guys are retarded, but I don'
t say it out load, because it's against the forum rules.


Btw aren't and, are not are the same thing. "aren't" is only improper, when it is used in professional poems, stories or, paper- Not when you're talking to a bunch of tools...


PS, still no answer to any of my criticisms. It's easier for you Liberals to like each others misinformed posts, rather than do your own research. If you're not brainwashed pawns, why can't you give a logical answer, as to why you support force/violence??


Because you're either ignoring the facts of what you believe, or, you have this skewed view, that the "Majority" and, the Government, Is above the law,
and, above the individual...


The reason why I wipe my ass with these stupid post, is because I know this obsolete system of force and violence is going to end.


Probably when Liberal Pawns try to disarm the populace. But, I know people wont keep putting up with this complete utter BS

 

Monk jr. I ignored your post?

"First off the tier 1 and 2 system, was more aimed and answering Meilai's question or topic about how I saw certain issues in the rank of their importance from my subjective perspective."

You ignored my post, and all the questions in it...

 

He was criticizing you for your misuse of the word "isn't." his point is you should have used aren't, not isn't. Get it together.

I dont support violence and force, I just accept that it is an unfortunate part of human nature due to many different factors.

I dont consider myself a liberal or leftist. I dont like political labels, especially when people like you use them as weapons and insults.

I dont like or support the united states government. I think the entire system is corrupt and has been for a long time, long before Obama.

Stop pretending like you know what everyone secretly believes. No one here supports violence and force, most probably dont support the way the government is currently ran, and saying it over and over does not make you sound very intelligent and it does not make it true.

 

It would appear I struck a nerve.
My assessment of your personality hit too close to home for comfort, eh?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e04KEmsAc8k"]Tom Hanks laughs at you for 30 seconds. - YouTube

 

why do you feel a need to explain yourself to him, it won't make any difference and it almost elevates him.
IMHO, STP has offered nothing that would compel me to have to explain myself or my politics to him.

He doesn't use labels as weapons and insults, that is a ruse he employs.
He uses them as a defense mechanism to avoid dealing with issues that don't conform to his very limited and myopic conception of the world and how shit works.

 

People are avoiding answering that question, because it's presumptuous, and it is what most would call, a "loaded" question.

People's attempts to answer that question, by saying "hey hold up, I don't support force in the way you are implying" are simply met by you saying something like "no I think you do, now answer the question in the way I framed it".


So I'll do the honors of answering your question in the way you framed it, after pointing out it was an unfair question because of it's presumptuousness.


Force, occurs by default, with or without government, animals exhibit force on one another, it can be argued it's natural to encounter force. That being said the broad concept of it, has certainly been overextended when it comes to government, especially in high-class societies where most of the wealth is concentrated : financial sector, and politics.

Government has to exist, based on the arguments of BOTH Philosophers Thomas Hobbs, and John Locke whose arguments make sense.


Hobbs, said people are inherently EVIL, and Locke, said they are CIVIL.

Correct me if I am wrong, but STP you seem to agree with Locke that humanity is civil by default, and but you disagree with Locke in the sense that you believe that government is not needed at all (you have said in former posts you want no government, and this is a shift from you earlier saying you wanted minimized Federal Government).


Given the way I see every day people behave towards one another in USA's society, and even in other countries, I don't see the core foundation in people to behave civilly with honor and with internal order.

1. Road rage

2. Cutting in line

3. Price Haggling in the middle of a retail store despite KNOWING you have a long line of customers like yourself behind you

4. Rioting (just because)

5. Small/Large Corporation abuses that occur irrespective of government regulations (oh yeah my personal story, no newspaper wanted to pick the story up because there wasn't much to editorialize for profit, stories only get picked up if they are estimate that the paper will be cost neutral)

6. Irresponsible parents

7. People leave their pet's shit just sitting there in the park or on your lawn. (you don't know who to hold accountable cause you might've been at work when it happened)

8. People's behavior are irritable if they don't have a smoke, coffee, or whatever else they're addicted to and have the freedom to do.


To put things shortly, I just don't see how the title of THIS THREAD, can be met with inevitability given what I observe. If you see it kindly explain all of this to me from a pragmatic point of view.