CIA mind control. *Graphic Content*

My point was an attempt to show how ridiculous STP is with all his criticizing of those for whom liberalism or progressive thought is responsible for the nations ills. I believe in socialized medicine, socialized education, higher taxes on those that benefit the most from their capitalistic endeavors. I personally don't even like the word conservative or those that call themselves conservative and act accordingly as a way of approaching existing problems in our society. To remain static in ones thoughts and to continue in ways that are deleterious to the society as a whole is, IMO, bad business. The recent decision by the "supreme" court on money in elections is a conservative idea that I think most anyone can realize has further skewed the so-called democratic process into an even more corrupt CONSERVATIVE idea.

Liberals/progressives have always been more for the middle class than conservatives. Within this capitalist scheme, (banking, Wall street, the oil companies, big pharma, the war machine, the real estate mess,ect , the conservatives are certainly winning. It continues.

 

at least I don't have stockholm syndrome, like Noxious Gas, Stratcho and, Odon...

It is you hypocrites who need to second guess your views, you sound unable to defend yourself, and thus, you turn to ignorant attacks and,demonizing the character of an individual you don't even know.

I will not stoop to your level. Obviously, you've developed the stockholm syndrome....

 

you are seriously deranged...and not in a good way.
When have I ever stated any political views I may posses that would allow you to label me as you do?

your mentality is far scarier than anybody you try to rail against because in your vapid mind if someone isn't on your side they are automatically the enemy or Liberal in your particular flavor of paranoid schizophrenia.

You are insane......

get help.....

end of story.

 

Liberalism has greatly contributed to the Countries ills. alot of things you mentioned were supported by many Democrats, including the war in Iraq, which Hillary voted for.

Secondly, it's funny how you ONLY mentioned things you knew you could blame on Republicans, as if Democrats Today, aren't trying to amend the 1st and 2nd amendment. Obama has already violated MOST of our original Constitutional Rights, with laws to the Contrary- but, of course- you'd never mention That, because, it doesn't fit your excuse of being a "Humanitarian effort."

If you ask me, Democrats are just as responsible for the problems in our Society, and, have pertetuated war, taxes and, Government intervention. I think it is VERY ignorant of people like you, to think it is only ONE side of the political isle, and essentially give Obama the power to act as a dictator. It is sickening and distasteful.

Then, move to England, or some other such Government-controlled population. Our Country was created to be a country FREE of Government overreach, and that is the purpose of our 2nd amendment.

Communism, which Liberalism derives from, what financially supported by the Elite bankers, who still control the world today. The same one's who said "Competition is a sin." I can do nothing but shake my head, at your ignorance and greed, to believe it is justified to have an institution of force, steal from 313 million people, and force them to buy into programs they don't want or need, entirely due to your own greed.

This is the reason you are so brutally offended to what I say, because, the truth hurts.

This just goes to show your ignorance. True "Conservatives," believe in smaller Government, less taxes and, more freedom, which would actually create jobs, and abolish alot of our Debt. Obama himself campaigned on cutting government, because it is something that would start to dig us out of this hole.

What you're suggesting, is digging an even deeper hole, and forcing people into more government monopolies. You Liberals make me mad, because you think that Government forcing everyone into compliance as ideal world,when I believe Government is the root of most of our problems

Link? Come on. You can't possibly believe the Democrats jargon... They said money in politic is "free speech," that means the only way they could've amended it, is by amending the First amendment. I do not trust, that there would be nothing in there, to restrict regular political speech, or, other such activity. Imo, you liberals give into knee-jerk reactions, that the Government endorses, and you don't take a second to look behind the curtain, and, make your own decision.

This is BS. The Richest county in the US Voted for Obama. MOST millionaires and substantial earners, are Liberals, just like you; they believe in Higher taxes, more government and, more humanitarian spending. Not because it helps the people, but, because it is set up to help the powers that be, aswell.

You people who think Democrats "care about the people," make me laugh. Yeah, they care enough to take your freedom, kill innocent underage citizens and, steal from you.

and btw, you think the big Pharm is Conservative? Lmao. Think about it, logically- what is more beneficial to an insurance company, than having a monopoly which covers millions of people??

IE: You support Government Healthcare, and, so does the healthcare industry. You can't possibly believe they want to help people?

it's blind faith, that ignores any bad thing the government does

 

Please refer to post 163.

 

Excellant. Just got my second red ball in 15 years! Thanks STP. 'preciate it.

 

You refer to the post above. I pointed out that not ONLY were conservative responsible for those things. Democrats and liberals have done the same thing.

and, you're welcome. I don't appreciate you telling me to "dream on" with regards to a non-violent peaceful society, just because I see the evil of your puppet masters, is not a reason to go at my throat. It's you Liberals who consent to a system of foce, and, encourage even more force. Communism came from the same elitest, you say you oppose. Liberalism wouldn't exist, without capitalist to steal from

 

Communism is not from elitists, that couldn't be further from the truth.

 

And in the hands of the wealthy elite/bankers etc etc blah blah blah.
I'll stick with our health system, if you don't mind.
You have the worst of both worlds.
Overwhelming health for profit insurance companies.
Persistent health inequality.
A crappy government health care system.
Remember where the UK is in the health care league table and where you chumps are (yes, I'm being purposely obnoxious - I like most of the Americans I have met )

Just about true.





Rendering your point moot. Right?

I've tried to think of this logically, and This doesn't make any sense to me.

'Big Pharma' isn't the 'healthcare industry' is it?
Don't they provide pharmaceuticals to both?

 

Communism and karl marx was financed by the Elite. I have learned about socialism and communism, in college. I still think it is an elitest lie to maintain control.

The Rothechilds Financed Communism, and as I pointed out- they have enough money to end poverty EVERYWHERE. It's not truly about caring for people, it's about absolute control.

 

which college did you go to?

 

I don't see how that's really relevant. I went to a SUNY School.

and, I took a philosophy class, that covered all these topics.

 

I think that what a lot of people find funny is that 'communism' is such a cliched term to use. And 'Rothechilds', well you might as well be be having a conference in 1974.

https://www.suny.edu/attend/visit-us/complete-campus-list/

:smilielol5:

 

It's not important. I'm telling you I went to a university in NY. there's alot of people on this site, and, I don't want to pin-point my location to anyone. Besides, I'm widely-known in my old school, and I don't really want to throw it out there.

 

its not that simple. marxism may be the furthest from it of any popularly recognized ideology, but ALL ideologies are in some sense "eletist".

they really, they all get people to go along with things they otherwise wouldn't, including using supposedly opposing ideologies as excuses to not do logical and right things when they need doing.

and by logical and right things, i don't ever mean making wars or killing people either.

as for rothschilds financing 'communism', well good for them, if there's any truth to it.

 

But Marxism that Marx foretells in the book is run from the working class up, from the bottom up. It's a natural evolution of capitalism, and not a forced movement.

Marxism is the ONE ideology that I know of where the people rule.

It has never happened so far, it's more of a Utopian thing.

 

well that is a lovely thought, and maybe at some point it could happen, but if/when it does, it will not be from some ideology, but from people not saying you can't use this or that solution because it would be against some ideology or accord with some other.

marx was one man, and things that are a consensus emergence like that, happen how they will, and not how or because of how someone thought that they wrote in some book.

 

Red Fox-

idc if people have communes in their own group. (perhaps a small village/tribal setting.) But, to force 313 million people to give 90% of their paychecks to the Government to "better society" will NEVER work.

First of all, a lot of people wont want to give up the money they earned. and, we would only get services offered by the Government (which is always bad.)

Secondly, you're talking about instituting force on peaceful people, merely for not buying into a Government.

Third, what about people who believe in natural medication? Liberals want to force them to buy into the pharm industry, just so everyone else can be "helped."

Communism/Socialism is Force, and nothing else. It cannot be accomplished without it.

My views actually declare that people own their own body, meanwhile, in communism, you're controlled by the majority will, and the Oligarch who controls the wealth.


Obviously the truth is a foreign concept to Leftists...

 

You are misinformed about the opinions of the left. I am liberal and disagree with allot of what you have said. For example shunning new age medicine and only wanting people to be treated by pharmaceuticals. We want a healthcare system that could be called "socialist" (evil word to you I know) that is available to everyone. But many of us also see the evil in big pharma. But you can get a heart surgery without a Xannax prescription.

Don't get so caught up in being divided in the political spectrum. That is what they want you to do.

 

He hasn't got an awful lot else to say...