A Peaceful non-violent society is inevitable

2 things, and I'm too lazy to quote so whatever...

Sptlsd, your views are anything but logical and that's why people don't see your logic

And, in reference to your response when scratcho said he would like to see a more socialistic society.

Hahahaha...hahahaha

You think all socialist societies turn into tyrannical oligarchies?

I remember telling you months ago to do some research on Scandinavian countries. I see you did not.

 

Government is like money, it's here now, it's an evolution of an earlier system...it hasn't been perfected, but it's part of life, ingrained in the reality we live in.

Why do you want to get rid of government yet don't care to be rid of money, for instance.

Government is about expendable as currency. Less expendable I'd say.

If in your mind we can function without government, why should we still even use currency?

 

Government is like money, it's here now, it's an evolution of an earlier system...it hasn't been perfected, but it's part of life, ingrained in the reality we live in.

Why do you want to get rid of government yet don't care to be rid of money, for instance.

Government is about as vitally a part of living on this planet as currency. More vital than currency I'd say.

If in your mind we can function without government, why should we still even use currency?

 

Do you know the difference between a metaphor and a simile?

Metaphor- two essentially dissimilar things, suggesting a comparison that one is the other.


Simile-two essentially dissimilar things, suggesting a comparison that one is like the other.


I didn't call you a lying fool, if you read what I said,
"This is why you leftist look like lying fools, because you're purposely diverting from logical points."

and I think the more you Liberals and leftist divert by making personal insults at me, the more my point is proven. You claim to be about Civil Rights and, peace for everyone, when in reality, your ideology pushes force and violence as means of a fabricated order.

Not only the Drug War, but, all the branches of the Government I mentioned. and also as I said, you guys have posted pages and pages without replying to the many hypocrisies and lies of Liberals, yet, you're too ignorant to do your own research, and if other people do the research, you call them "conspiracy theorists."

That's why I said it's too late for all of you. I'm just happy you don't support the second amendment, because we don't need people who believe in knee-jerk force and, violence, holding guns.

 

That's our problem with you, you keep saying " you leftists" as if you are trying to all bundle is together in a package that you can blasphemy.

There is a lot of variation among "leftists" and even those on the "right" and to say ALL who are anywhere in either label no matter where they might place on a spectrum are ____.


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Also on an issue by issue basis I have either agreed or disagreed with you.

On the drug policy, I think tactics need to change and drugs like weed should be legalized.

But I'm hesitant to legalize things like heroin and crack cocaine when they clearly have negative impacts at a individual and at a macro societal level.


When you legalize something participation in said activity does increase.

 

You may differ on little things, but your beliefs support the same systems of force that are causing these problems. You can say "No I don't" till you're blue in the face, but, when it comes down to it, you're not even attempting to show me how I'm wrong.

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I think you mean "micro." You probably encounter a shitload of people on drugs everyday, and you don't even know it. Those people shouldn't be punished for putting something in their own body, that Government disagrees with.

and, while we're on the subject, Weed and, Lsd are both schedule 1 substances, while cocaine and heroine is a level 2. The Drug war is a cultural war, and an expensive one, that has filled the prisons 600 times than previously, when we only arrested people for real legitimate crimes...

That's not true. Look at portugal. They legalized everything, and they found out less kids started using drugs and, less people using drugs.

Btw, you're not even taking into account the hundreds of thousands of people harassed by cops daily: Frisked, searched, jail for non-violent crimes and, police even cause death on many innocent people and animals. If you think laws can change behavior, you're sadly mistaken

"We can't even keep Drugs out of the prisons; So, how could we keep drugs out of the country, by making all of america a prison?"

It doesn't work, and, the people are being victimized for crimes that politician commit daily, but they are not searched or harassed by police...

 

Sptlsd, you do realize legalizing all drugs is actually a very liberal point of view?

 

What a peaceful thread this is, much like certain proposed societies would be. "Me against you" with no possible middle ground.


Think about it!

 

StpLSD, are you colorblind?

I wonder because you only seem to see things in black and white.

 

see, stp is a peaceful guy!

 

I'm a little baffled at the Jim Morrison picture in what appears to be a public restroom......

 

so, two more pages of Liberal nonsense. Wow, I didn't think you guys could spew anymore misinformed jargon, but, here it is..

again, no excuse for your brutality and, force- only personal insults.

Tyrson. Just because some liberals believe in ending the drug war, doesn't make it a "liberal" policy.

and besides, Liberals want to FORCE the second amendment away, and, force people into Government monopolies, even if they don't want/need their so-called "services"

 

My post 219 shows what happens when a man that knows better gets riled up at nonsense.

I have enough living under my belt to have remembered to just ignore fools. I will now do so.

 

It might be a tube station. I doubt he is having his photo taking while sitting on a public toilet. But, who...oh, somebody does.

 

No, you think about it.

I'm not the one making the thread unpeaceful. I am only showing how, despite the fact you liberals think more Government is "Humanitarian," you're not looking at the force and crime they commit.

Healthcare, welfare, warfare and, the desired disarmament of citizens, is just a few places where you want to put absolute power in the hands of Government.

and, you wish people like me, would just shut up and deal with it.

It's only greed that would make people endorse and advocate for a system of violence. I am not the one calling names, and avoiding clear arguments: I always answer every post word for word.

Meanwhile, my posts are ignored, no one attempts to defend their views, and, more and more people insult me, and "like" ignorant Liberal posts..


Yiou guys think your views will fix everything.

But other than instituting more violent programs, what changes do liberals want to make??

No one answered this, because there is no answer. Liberals believe Government will do everything Right, and we shouldn't even second-guess them, despite centuries of corruption from public officials.

If you guys had .1% of the questions you had for my views, you would no longer be Liberal.


The reason why you are Liberals, is because you blindly trust the Government, and don't look into anything that shows your politicians as the violent criminals they are.

160 million people have been killed by our Government, in this last century alone. That number is astonishing and, disgusting. But, as long as you Liberals can pick up a check from the fruits of the taxpayers labor, you will say "It's not wide spread"

 

StpLSD25, is a UK liberal different than a US liberal? or don't you care about UK liberals (or any differences there might be) ? To me, you seem fairly socially liberal. but get a bit too wrapped up in the whole economic liberalism BS.
I dunno.
You make it a little hard to follow your thought process som...most of the time.

 

I also thought the personal insults were unneccesary. No need to step down to your level.

 

Mallai, you're suggesting total Government Control, to take care of a problem, that you believe is caused by the Corporations.


The reason the middle class is being hit, and people are losing work, is because High taxes are causing Businesses to relocate and. High taxes and, absolute Government Control, always lead to tyranny. Just because you have a modern example where it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it isn't going to.

Besides, people can move from america to those countries, if they don't like it here.




"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." --Thomas Jefferson


"Convinced that the people are the only safe depositories of their own liberty, and that they are not safe unless enlightened to a certain degree, I have looked on our present state of liberty as a short-lived possession unless the mass of the people could be informed to a certain degree." --Thomas Jefferson

 

Everybody who seriously thought about your country with the amount of people it has now and no government reached the conclusion it would become more violent. Well, almost everybody

Who's the one proclaiming his views would fix society and make it more peaceful?

 

I thought you were going to shut up??

That's because, you Liberal automatically assume it would be "every man for himself" with no basic rules or morality. Which is a total misconception, that has been pulled out of someones ass, and repeated a million times.

If you liberals did your own research, I wouldn't even have to tell you, how what you believe would happen is wrong..

You Pawns will never believe it can work, because anything other than blind faith in Government, will mean you can't collect on the misallocation of resources. It is based on greed. You liberals don't care if the Government commits force, as long as a small percentage of our stolen money, goes to pay for people who refuse to work.

Ummm you can't get peace through Force. MLK Jr. has said this. You think you're going to force everyone to comply with a tyrannical Government and a dictatorial president. You're around in 2012, pushing Obama.

You want peace through force, which is not possible. I want peace through peaceful means, which makes sense.

I honestly can give a shit less what you Liberals want to believe... You're so ignorant and hard-headed, that you will deny that anything can fix any of our problems, except more power in the hands of mere mortals.


Keep rolling in your ignorance

When it all comes down, you believe that Government will make everythnig better through giving them more power, which has caused our problems in the First place.

all of you, just shove it. my biggest pet peeve about you violence sympathizers, is, you claim you don't endorse violence, while you're endorsing violence for simple (sometimes non-existent) problems, that aren't the true problemsin society at all.

americas problem isn't the very poor, who already live free and, contribute nothing. It is the Middle class, who is being ran dry by insane taxes, and , are unable to save or advance because of that.

You can all just kiss off into the air. Reality is biased against you Big Government Liberals...