Is God a Universalist or has he condemned some of us?

Don't make me do your own research. This is just like Spam quoting Bible verses.

Gospel of Thomas regarding anti-women:
(114) Simon Peter said to him, "Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of life."
Jesus said, "I myself shall lead her in order to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every woman who will make herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven."

 

It appears the OP has, just like certain agitating atheists on here, an utter disgust for and problem with the spiritual/religious faith of others, in which it not matters how and if those people act on that faith but the fact other (completely different) individuals with religious faith before them (seemed to) act upon it in a way it harmed other people and therefor you must be as dangerous as well (or something). Yeah, it doesn't really make sense. Especially if you notice he's the one doing the same in all of his threads on here: asking christians about their beliefs and then ridicule it in order to practically bully them into his own preferred religion.

 

Can't have it both ways, sorry.

God did not write the bible. People did that. They also interpret it to their hearts content.

 

It can be argued they wrote that because go(o)d inspired them :sunny:

This does not mean this is not very true (because after all our way of communication is not infallible and what we say almost always open to interpretation indeed):

For sure. That's people (us) :biggrin:

 

You are aware, I hope, that Gnostic Christians are not foolish enough to read any scripture literally. Only fools read myths literally.

You do not even seem to realize that scriptures were created to move us to discourse on God and sometimes must be read in reverse.

Note that in the bible Jesus in one place says to love our parents and in another he says we should hate them.

If you wish to discuss the writings you quotes then let's do so but to say that those like me who see a bit of God within all of us can somehow discriminate against half the world is too droll to contemplate.

Oh. In the bible, Peter also talks of making women into men. Remember that in that day, Jesus was fighting a lot of men who thought women to be chattel.

Regards
DL

 

Do you favor barbaric human sacrifice now?
You have poor morals if you do and so do all Christians.

How will you get yourself into heaven? On your own merit or via a scapegoat?

Revisit substitutionary atonement or vicarious redemption and scapegoating with me just to refresh your memory.

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I am not an atheist but Satan and Christians want atheists to embrace barbaric human sacrifice and the notion that we should profit from punishing the innocent instead of the guilty. Scapegoating IOW.

In reality, if God did demand such a barbaric sacrifice, he would be sinning as we all know that it is immoral to kill the innocent. God knows this yet Christians do not seem to. You do. Right?

Those with good morals will know that no noble and gracious God would demand the sacrifice of a son just to prove it's benevolence. When you die, Satan will ask you; how was your ticket to heaven purchased? With innocent blood?

If and when you say yes, you become his.

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The other option in scriptures, a moral one, is shown here. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Scriptures indicate that God prefers repentance to sacrifice and as God’s will is supreme and cannot be thwarted, this will come to pass.

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It is a special distorted Christian view of love that sees, --- as the greatest act of love possible, --- their God condemning them, and then turning and demanding his son’s deaths and thus corrupting God's perfect justice. A bribe set by God as judge himself for himself. This is of course ridiculous.

Christians have an insane view of love, IMO.

Would you express your love for humanity or those you love by having your own child needlessly murdered?

Or if convinced that a sacrifice was somehow good, would you have the moral fortitude to step up yourself to that cross instead of sending your child?

Your cowardly God did not.

Regards
DL

 

Why do you quote me there? Most of what you say does not apply to me. Looks like another generic evangelistical bully post to me... Thanks for being so honest and affirm what I said

I know you do not call yourself an atheist btw. I'm just saying that you have a problem with christian faith just like some of those atheists.

 

If you do not have a problem with a religion based on human sacrifice and the punishment of the innocent instead of the guilty then you are just as immoral as Christians.

Regards
DL

 

That's how your mind works and if you actively make your problem other peoples problem you are just as much of a turd as the people you have in mind when you get on your preachy chair.

 

Sure thing. Einstein sure didn't want Hiroshima either.

But I digress.

 

Hell is a lie made up by man made religions.

 

Very valid notion. So Einstein is not bad, immoral or evil? So neither a traditional christian with faith (at least not by default )

 

If you want argue that the chapters of the book were written by good people in good faith and too the best of their knowledge you can do so. Anyway there's no proof either way.

What is a fact, though, is that some self proclaimed authority decided which scriptures would be published and which rejected. And thus it went on until we had witch hunts and the inquisition. That has nothing to do with god or faith. It's politics pure and simple.

A traditional christian need not be a person unlike others. That is unless he/she turns fanatic and burns qurans in public squares to incite violence (remember THAT whacko?). The real question is do you really need all that stuff in order to be a good person?

In the end all the bible (new testament) says is that you should be nice to your fellow human being and not do anything that you wouldn't want done to yourself. Now, if I can do that without religion what does that say about people who need to be scared with a vision of hell to be kept in line?

 

I don't want to argue that But I think they wrote it with good intent. This alone does not automatically makes someone a good person of course so I don't see the point of claiming they are (or are not).

I agree with all of that. And I also think a traditional christian isn't unlike others just because he has religious faith.

I don't need commandments to (try to) be a good person myself. But I also don't think the majority of christians are or try to be good people because they believe literally in the concept of hell.

 

That was the second most important commandment that Jesus gave. 1st being, love your God with your whole soul, heart and mind.

 

hmm... i don't see how these statements are conflicting.

hell was created for satan, but since people have free will some people will follow him there. God saw fit that he would let them.

the bible was written by prophets being moved by the holy spirit, therefore it was God speaking directly through them.

some people just can't grasp that concept i guess.

christianity is a religion of love, not fear. if a person's motivating factor is fear of hell then they have the wrong idea anyway.

the message of the bible is beyond simply being a good person. the point is that God wanted His own special people. from the time that He blessed Abraham until now we have seen the history of this people. Israel. They have been through a lot of history, and when Jesus came He came to restore the spiritual nation of Israel. the teachings of Jesus are not just to teach people to be a good person. It is also so that the spiritual nation of Israel might be restored, and so we could attain to the promises that God has for His nation.

 

okay...

read 2 peter 2:4

For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgement; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds) -- then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgement, and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority.

 

And if your mind likes human sacrifice und punishing the innocent then you are without morals and why should any care what you say?

It is all based on low moral values.

Regards
DL

 

Rather hard to love an absentee genocidal son murdering God and really, who would want to other than Christians who do not care if they are seen ridding a scapegoat.

Regards
DL

 

I, like you, grasp the concept of God speaking through prophets.

Mostly when he wants to lie to us. God was a liar and murderer from the beginning.

Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
1Kings 22:23

Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
2 Chron 18:22

Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
Jer 4:10

O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. Jer 20:7

And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
Ezekiel 14:9

For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
Thessalonians 2:11

To me, God’s worse lie was to Adam and Eve. He told them they could eat of the tree of life and then reneged and in a real sense murdered them by denying them a remedy.

Regards
DL