Darwin: Genius or idiot?

Seriously.


Now on a more lighthearted note.
My best evidence that Neanderthals are alive today is the members I read who are clearly a couple of rungs down the evolution ladder.


I clearly see the proof every time I read their posts.

 

see my sig for my opinion

 

I have been studying a few of the great names in science. A lot of them had opposition to their theories. When Einstein published his papers in 1905 he was in a hostile intellectual climate. Especially with the thought on atoms. There was another German scientist at the time called Boltzmann. He felt so alone in his atomic theory which would of been supported by the work of Einstein that he decided to take his own life. You really need to get your facts straight before you come up with comments like that. Just because a theory is widely accepted today doesn't mean it was at the time. Most were controversial. The job of the scientist is to question postulations and theories. By asking questions we can look for answers. We are right to question Darwins theory of evolution. We are right to pick holes in it. It doesn't mean it is wrong and it doesn't mean it is right. By questioning it we can make a better theory. A lot of what Darwin said was right. The flaws can be taken into account. The more work that is done on evolution the more a better theory can be produced. All that is needed is for somebody to stand on the shoulders of giants.

I know I am going to get it from a lot of flack from the religious front for this. I have this to say. I am myself a christian. I also believe that the universe was created. But I don't interpret Genisis 1&2 litterally. I think it is good in a way to question the bible. It is to question God's word but questioning brings with it answers. I can point out passages in the bible where it says to question things.

Matt

 

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We are closer genetically to chimpanzees than rats are to mice. Chimpanzees can be taught to speak (in sign language or by keyboard) to communicate their thoughts and answer questions. This means that chimpanzees are intelligent creatures, not completely controlled by instinct and survival, so it's easy to see where we are related.

Evolution is defined as change over time. When applied to darwin's theory, it is the change of genes over time. Because of the fact that some genes are more beneficial to the organism and some hurt it, evolution has to happen. When an animal with a bad gene dies before it can reproduce, that bad gene is taken out of the gene pool. It's easy to see how the human genes that gave us a capacity for learning and problem solving, along with a bunch of fingers and toes, put us way up here at the top.

 

Much of the endlessly confusing debate that one can engadge in on this subject ends once you realize that there is a primary error of self-reference in the notion that humans are more advanced than other known creatures. This conclusion arises from the self-referential loop associated with the only reference frames from which we can assess differing levels of complexity or advancement (namely: notions of reference frames which are themselves constructed by humans). As with many such 'closed form' discussions, they do not 'reduce' and will lead nowhere. They are ' as an electric circuit which is 'connected to itself'.

 

well being a creationist i would like to point out, that the more people i talk to who are also creationists, the more i find that they dont necessarily disagree with evolution. rather, many of us belief that God is the cause for change, using the natural world, and its systems, to create. whats the use for magic if you have a machine that does it just as well?

anyhow, its mostly the traditional large-bodied religious institutions that prohibit any from being too vocal about these opinions. authority=power and that causes everything from efficacy to manipulation. the problem is the authorities are now hard-charging ignorantly, and the paritioners arent willing to "leave the church" in order to pursue something that, to them, seems meaningless. I mean, regardless of evolution as a process of creation, or just straight up creation, God is the focal point.
of course an evolutionist will most likely never hear this from a creationist in an intimate conversation, since the tendency of evolutionists (as ive seen in my conversations) is to attack rather than inquire. and should one of the evolutionists try to be sensitive to their beliefs, there are enough of the ignorant evolutionists out there to make the creationists cringe at the thought of confiding in them...and vice versa.
i think a little sensitivity and a little rationale will lead to a harmonious agreement between the two groups. as for seeing this in church doctrines anytime soon...good luck.
peace.
-wondercolor.