deregualting housing would allow big cheap concrete houses and low prices

Yes, there is room. I don't see how it would benefit anyone. Humans or the Earth. Certainly not the Earth.

 

thy all ready have them thy call them FEMA camps

 

so your point is by torturing and tormenting people by shoving them into tiny overcrowded spaces where there is actually nothing to do BUT have sex since no space is safe anymore we get a LOWER rate of increase?

They have done experiments and crowding rats into a too small of space causes insanity - humans are the only animal to willingly do this to themselves

 

Proof humans are insane...

 

What is this thread about exactly?

 

Fitting people into boxes of CoCo Pops.

 

Sounds like a strawman to me. That isn't what I said.

Ace is right, sprawl is not sustainable. Building more housing isn't the issue, it's a symptom of a bigger problem. Less time should be spent figuring out where to stuff the masses, and more resources devoted to making sure the masses don't grow so damn fast.

 

Yeah dem masses are asses...

 

VG, if you'd quit monkeying around and pay attention for once....

 

Concrete box houses have already been tried. Epic fail. The beach community of Southern Shores, NC used to be full of them. Most have been demolished now and replaced with ordinary houses. No good place to put wiring or air conditioning or insulation. Hard to change anything. Everybody hated them.

Increasing suburban sprawl is ridiculous. Energy consumption for transportation would skyrocket, and there would be nowhere for people to get away from civilization on a summer weekend.

There isn't a single major problem on earth that wouldn't be better if we had fewer people.

 

No, I got it now, we want to deregulate concrete.

But doesnt that just make it cement?

 

I dunno.

Where I live there's a number of places that are abandoned, the owners refuse to rent them out because they won't get the rent they feel they are worth. Well, apparently they aren't worth the rent expected since they are empty and abandoned.

And I have seen that in so many places. So many houses, mobile homes and even cabins, empty. And it's all because of greed. One place I looked at renting the owner wanted $700/mo. with first, last and security deposit. Would have cost me $2,100 to rent it, along with doing repairs to make it liveable to code standards. She lost that place 6 months later. City took it and had it dozed. The owner was so upset...couldn't rent it for what SHE felt it was worth. SHE doesn't control the market.

I find it sad but hilarious, that folks just cannot use their heads. Their authority and abilities go only so far.

Coincidentally, in Sept. '12 I closed on my home, zero down, paying less than if I was paying rent.

 

deregulating what people build for THEMSELVES, and where its not going to break someone else if it does, to me, that would be simply a basic freedom it makes no sense for people not to have.

deregulating the building trades industry, is a whole nother keg of expensive nail guns.

the idea that cost savings from deregulation anything, where economics is involved, are passed on to anyone, is nonsense.

public spaces do need to meet standards to avoid being needlessly unsafe. but the costs involved in personal shelter, which one could otherwise design and build for themselves, are rediculous and needlessly so.

sure there's a matter of education involved, but its not beyond the capacity of the average joe sixpack to learn.

 

in my opinion , I think people should treat other people the way they want to be treated. Just saying :/..

 

i agree that deregulation is generally bullshit but i don't know that much about economics to comment too much.

building a house is not that hard really, building a house thats gonna still be standing 50 years from now is another thing. when a house is built its not just one contractor, but several from diffferent trades in most cases. you have one contractor that does the foundation (a good foundation is very important !!) then another does the framing, masonry, another does the pluming, electrical, hvac .. sometimes a seperate contractor does the drywall. Sure you can be a jack of all trades, but not everyone is and theres mistakes that can be made that don't seem like a big deal and might go unnoticed but will cause problems later.

some people can't even read a measuring tape, i wouldn't want them building my house

theres also zoning laws, and for very good reason. you can't just build anything anywhere, or even use a building in a certain location for certain purposes w/o a permit. theres different zoning even for different types of bussinesses. this is to try and keep things operating smoothly. i don't think i could turn my apartment into an actual walk in retail store, not legally anyway

 

should, and do when money is involved, are sadly often two very different things. especially when its politics and big money that get involved.

 

and i have to agree that there are very good reasons for the IDEA of zoning. unfortunately, as with many things where politics gets involved, very seldom is the actual zoning that is done, based upon them.

i won't say never. there was a very good book back in the 70s called design with nature, which mostly made the case for zoning based on real environmental science. and SOME zoning, despite political improbability, does get based on that. still far more of it, is based on the trading of political favors.

this is one of those contexts where i feel it would be more appropriate, to revert authority to at least the guidance, of indigenous cultures.