Psychedelic Bump XXIII

Anybody got any big plans for bicycle day? I was thinking about getting some red microdots for the occasion.

 

Oh shit when is that I'll rent a bike it will be awesome

 

it's april 19th, acek

wooo hooo, red STARS??

i trippped and rode my bike last sunday....so i guess i celebrated early. on the 19th we will be visiting my in laws.

 

I wanna ride one of those really tall ass bicycles trippin that would be crazy. I see people riding bikes like this all the time

 

Ground score! :2thumbsup:
Definitelyget a marquis test.

 

I'll type up a big thread about this in greater detail later, but I'm extremely exhausted and all fucked up from breathing xylene fumes for a million hours.

anyways here goes: Me and my buddy attempted an acid base extraction of mescaline HCl with xylene as the nonpolar solvent. We achieved some degree of success, but a lot of improvisation occurred and it was more of a learning experience at the end of the day.

We choipped up 5 big san pedros, blended them, made a soup, made it acidic and boiled it down... then we filtered it, brought it down to pH=4 and defatted with xylene. Unfortunately my deal for a 500mL sep funnel fell through. I'll be picking it up later for future use, but we only had our little 150mL sep funnel to work with, so we ended up doing a massive amount of tedious pipetting, then, put the messy stuff near the emulsification layer into our tiny sep funnel and split if up like that. We did like 4 or 5 defatting procedures with xylene and still didn't get all the fat.

two important things learned
-just buy a damned sep funnel
-probably better to use dried and ground cactus than fresh, blended cactus. In the future I will use ground peruvian torch (which has a higher alkaloid content to begin wiht). Also, unhealthy san pedro seem to have unusually high fat content. Better to nurse them to health before cutting them up.

So after the ridiculous amount of defatting, we made the freebase (very fun process: you squirt lye into the acidic aqueous mescaline layer, and you see the freebase form in there like a little white-green geyser inside the red acidic water... then we tried to extract the freebase mescaline into an upper xylene layer (this is where the standard tek started to show signs of problems). We ended up with massive amounts of emulsification and very little mescaline in our xylene. I think it was a fat problem (and we probably should've used smaller batches as well). That didn't work very well. I think nonpolar solvent is great for defatting, but fuck using it beyond that point in the extraction. We ended up makign it acidic again and filtering, and then at the end of the day we just dried out the freebase directly from the water layer.... then we salted it and crystalized.

things learned:
- Don't usde xylene for anything other than defatting. Just freebase, extract and make the salt.
-use more water if you're gonna do this much cactus. Split it up into smaller batches
-vacuum filtration all the way. We had a hirsch and a vacuum erlenmeyer, but I forgot my vacuum pump. Definitely going to use a 500mL sep funnel and a vacuum pump next time.
-don't put HCl in your mother's expensive stainless steel pots. It's really hard to explain.

a couple pix: (will post more in my thread)
some of the materials:

soup soup soup:

jars of fat and xylene on the left, freebase forming on the right:
(that greenish stuff is the free base forming after we squirted a bunch of NaOH into the bottom acidic layer. The acidic layer looks like red/brown ale. semitransparent dark red/auburn colour, then the freebase is this wonderful looking white-green stuff. Once dry it looks like green oil paint. Then when you salt it with HCl it turns yellow as it dissolves)

final product from wash #1 (we ended up with much more by the end, this was just from the first improvised attempt). around 650mg of fatty mescaline HCl. Some good crystals, but a little bit sticky. DEfinitely some leftover fat. Maybe 50-70% pure???


Our A/B extraction ended up going in three different directions (and we still have various jars and starting materials to work on on a rainy day). The stuff that looks like picture #4 is pretty good mescaline HCl, but it should be browner. The green stickyness is leftover fat. Again: defat with a sep funnel! Use better cactus! After we learned some things, we did a cleaner aqueous extract and we got some fine brownish-tan crystals. We did this a couple times but we got very very small yields with this stuff. I think this stuff was very pure. IT was better defatted, but we lost a lot in the emulsification after the defatting.

Then at the end, we dried a big load of freebase (from the jar in pic #3) and salted it. We got some sort of a very confusing substance. Tell me if you have any ideas about it. I will take a picture at some point, but here are some of its properties:
-very high yield. A few grams. Much more than the freen fatty crystals or the tan purish crystals
-Despite acidity before the crystalization, the stuff smells strongly of sodium hydroxide and feels soapy
-It looks a lot like a big chunk of black tar heroin or some sort of hash
-It is highly water soluble. The glass was covered in this sticky gross hash-looking mess, but just a tiny bit of water washed it 100% clean.

I've heard of people getting stuff that looks like all of the end products that we got, so I figure we did a few things right. We really did a lot of improvisation, but I think we could do a very good job if we did it again with a few modifications on our procedure. I think we would go by the method that made the tan-brown crystals at low yield, but do a better job of it of course.

After all that, it was a very fun day. After a big day of school and work and gym, we ended up staying awake for a long ass time and workign for over 24 hours straight. Wouldn't have taken as long if we had a better "lab". We were pretty severely cracked out by around hour 14. Tedious pipetting, xylene fumes and severe sleep deprivation had messed us up... since we were working with bases anyways, we converted some gbl to ghb and did some of that. Took a little break, worked for another 12 hours.
A/B extraction of mescaline hcl is a very hard process. Probably harder than dimitri. It takes a lot of work and takes a long time. I am exhausted. It was a fun fucking day though

 

some more info:

so here are all of the final products (more stuff in jars to extract later)

the green-brown fatty powder reacts slowly: it bubbles a lot, then the bubbles recede and leave an orange liquid, which eventually turns orange-brown (probably due to the green stuff)
bubbles:

brown goop reacting on the left, green-brown fatty powder reacting on the right:

they end up looking like this:


the brown goop reacts more strongly. I think there is a good amount of mescaline in there... but it is a gooey solid so it doesn't work quite right, but it does definitely end up orange by the end. The other stuff gets the same orange-ness, but a little more brown (like I said, probably due to the green)

I'm thinking there's definitely some mescaline in there... but I'm not really sure how I should go about dosing. Definitely going to start with a low dose. The brown goop still smells like NaOH and is more basic than it should be (and dissolves surprisingly well in water). I was thinking I'd put like 300mg of brown goop in OJ and drink it. Not sure about the powder.

IRL the dots look more orange with a hint of green. Not super strong orange though. Picture came out more brown looking.

anybody got input on this?

 

i got some mescaline extract from a friend once, and it looked kinda like that brown goop. i'm not exactly sure how he prepared it though. he said he got a mild trip from it, but i didn't feel it, even at 905 mg + 785 mg 2 hours later.

you're not worried about eating the sodium hydroxide? maybe it's at such a low concentration you're not worried?


i've spent a lot of time in lab this weekend too, but it wasn't nearly as fun

 

Dosed 120 mgs 5-mapb/ 60 mgs MDMA

It was a good evening but a low turnout.. 5-mapb was kind of like something of MDMA and MDE. Pretty low turnout but I met up with a forum member, saw some familiar faces and had a really good time.

EDIT: MXE BUMP

 

Took 3 tabs of LSD the other day after not taking any drugs for...a while. I don't keep track of this shit how long it's been, several months I suppose. It was a black-and-white print with lines instead of perforations, all i could really make of it was it had John Lennon's face. For not tripping in so long I was expecting something more but at least it wasn't an NBOMe I guess. I still had a good time albeit not as intense as I expected with 3 tabs.

 

well I've looked at other people's experiences with acid-base extraction of mescaline, and a lot of people get the brown goop. That's what you get when you don't do the final nonpolar step and just dry the oily freebase and salt it straight up. I think there's a lot of mescaline in it so opefully 500mg will do something.
I'm not super worried about he NaOH. You can lick it without burning your tongue too much. I'm more confused than worried. We made it pretty strongly acidic when we salted it (like pH 4 or less), so I don't know why it still smells so strongly of lye. I guess it might be because it's so fatty. It is sorta soapy and lye-ie. I figure if we just neutralize it with citric acid or throw it in a big glass of orange juice it should be OK I just wish I could know how much mescaline was in it. Like I said, it reacted better than the other stuff with the Marquis reagent, but it was still not super strongly orange.
I think well eat a little piece to make sure we don''t get sick, then we'll try 500mg.
I'm gonna do another good friday trip. Who knows maybe I'll end up somewhere christian again.

And yeah, the lab work we did wasn't the funnest, but we did mange to have a pretty good time -- especially with that ghb. I'd like to make more ghb in the future. I really like that stuff, but its hard to find good GHB around here. Everybody who's making it must be stupid because it's often a little acidic and tastes mildy of GBL.

I wish we had a real lab to do this sorta shit in. If we'd had all the right equipment it probably would've taken like 10 hours instead of almost 30!!!

I'd really like to try synthesizing mescaline someday instead. You could definitely get something nicer than this brown goop with a vanillin synthesis or something, and I'm sure we could do a good job if we had better equipment. Do you know of any other good mescaline synths?

 

wish you hadnt put all that good stuff so close to the end of the thread..

 

How has life been treating everyone?
It's been going pretty well for me,Got a new Girlfriend and starting life over.

 

wadya mean?
e: I'm gonna repost it in cacti delecti btw

it's been pretty good yo. I got a new gf too, but then she went a little kookoo for coco puffs for a while (prolly the spring break drug session) and we broke up for a bit.Now were lyingin bed together though soI guess thwts over? I have no idea honstly but im liking it so whatever...

How are you starting over? wit life in general? With drugs? with your girl or what?

bump: for oxazepam. It's not a psychedelic but it's one of he bes benzos I've ever tried. Very clesr headed and relaxing. Just as good as legit valiyum I would say

 

http://www.ted.com/talks/ron_eglash_on_african_fractals


Fascinating shit

 

Treating me well. Haven't been on HF for awhile. My Ketamine addiction spiralled into Heroin and Benzos which resulted in a pretty chronic low but I've been clean for over 8 months now and everything is better than ever.

Psychedelics are quite tempting to delve into but I've only got MiPT to sample which I haven't yet and doesn't really sound worth the time to break 8 months sobriety for

 

MXE bump

 

good for you, poly. on staying clean.

do you mean unsubstituted MiPT?

 

^ive always wanted to try plain old non substituted DiPT cuz it just sounds interesting having primarily auditory effects rather than visual. Sounds like it might be a bit straining on the mind and I'm not sure how fun that would be but having fun isn't a,ways why I trip. Sometimes it is lol but I also like to try and learn something new too.

 

I'd love to try dipt but my ears are fucked up enough already and I don't think I should mess with 'em.