glutens bad for you?

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by Deranged, Apr 9, 2014.

  1. BeachBall

    BeachBall Nosey old moo

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    But what do you do when you want a little privacy???
     
  2. Fairlight

    Fairlight Banned

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    I am good at de-comparmentalizing my selves...
     
  3. katkin

    katkin Member

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    I've studied schizophrenia, scientifically, gluten playing a part seems a bit whacky to me considering how much has been learned about the condition.
     
  4. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Please elaborate.

    There is a lot that has been learned about gluten and its possible links to schizophrenia in recent years, which you might not have learned in school just because you studied schizophrenia. There is a lot that isn't taught in college.
     
  5. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Quick but interesting vid:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUtH2iCjI74"]How to Help Schizophrenia--Stop Eating Gluten - YouTube
     
  6. ginalee14

    ginalee14 eternity

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    I don't believe in "schizophrenia". At all. I believe in countless aspects that *create* debilitation but I strongly disagree with science's stance that schizophrenia is fetal brain damage. And YES, they think it's fetal brain damage.

    And when it comes to "chemical imbalances", I think there's validity to that but I think it's *primarily* nutrition based (deficiencies + toxicity = imbalance).
     
  7. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    I couldn't agree more. I have found that since changing my diet, eliminating sugar and grains, that not only have I achieved mental clarity, but an improvement in my overall mental health. There was a time when I was riddled with depression and anxiety, and didn't even want to leave home, but since eliminating sugar and refined, high-glycemic carbs I have noticed a huge improvement.
     
  8. katkin

    katkin Member

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    I can't believe you'd doubt the condition, perhaps you've never come across it, but we are all entitled to our own opinions and I don't wish to undermine anyone else's.
     
  9. Fairlight

    Fairlight Banned

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    I haven't got all the answers but in my opinion "Schizophrenia" describes too many symptoms to function as a satisfactory diagnosis.A lot of top psychologists now are debating the efficacy of the term itself.A lot of so called schizophrenics are just weirdos who don't fit into the norm,people who live on the margins of society and live in their own subculture.They have a crisis,perhaps at an early age,get whisked into Psychiatric hospital and then given the "schizophrenic" label.Then they start their mental health career.My main symptoms are terrible auditory hallucinations that feel as though people are trying to communicate with me telepathically.I know this is a symptom of a malfunction in my mind but it seems over-ridingly real and can be very frightening.Thankfully I am prescribed 20mg of Olanzapine at night which quietens down the voices quite effectively.Without this drug my life would be hell.Voices coming from inside my mind,outside my mind,spatially located just in front of me etc.And really persecutory ones.

    My personal theory is that many people with so called schizophrenia develop it because they may have had traumatic childhoods,bad experiences at school and so on.I do think the brain chemistry may be changed to a schizophrenic structure of some kind biochemically speaking,but that these changes are not genetically caused but rather that the brain has learned to develop changes over time,in response to experience,which creates new 'Schizophrenic" engrams.So I am saying schizophrenia is an "Illness" which is learned over time in response to dysfunctional family structure and lack of a loving environment.

    Schizophrenia sound like a frightening word,but often it provides I think unique perspectives on the world - which is becoming increasingly schizophrenic - and in my case a wolrd-view that I just wouldn't swap for anyone else's.
     
  10. ginalee14

    ginalee14 eternity

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    Why can't you believe it? I don't think it's a brain disease, nor do I think it's genetic. That shouldn't bother you.
     
  11. Fairlight

    Fairlight Banned

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    No I am sorry you are wrong.Some schizophrenics here torturous voices that are the result of malfunction in their brain.This is indisputable.
     
  12. RandomVegan

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    and the point is gluten may be a chemical modifier which does the messing up of the brain just like some drugs can or lack of sleep
     
  13. ginalee14

    ginalee14 eternity

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    You said it yourself .. "So I am saying schizophrenia is a an "Illness" which is learned over time in response to dysfunctional family structure and lack of a loving environment."

    Trauma, abuse and neglect are not a brain disease. Can the brain / mind / body / spirit / soul be hurt, and even incapacitated, by trauma, abuse and neglect? Of course!

    Injury is injury .. not an organic, fundamental brain disease.

    Science considers schizophrenia to be fetal brain damage, and I do not agree.
     
  14. Fairlight

    Fairlight Banned

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    Schizophrenia does't need to be cured.it is a perfectly acceptable lifestyle.Don't try to suggest I have some deficiency that needs remedying.What is schizophrenia anyway? Split mind?..The ability to see things form multiple perspectives.The ability to see things through other's eyes.
     
  15. Fairlight

    Fairlight Banned

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    Yes but trauma ,abuse and neglect maybe able to damage the infant brain as it is growing,manifesting physical changes in the brain of the child,in real time,permanently changing brain chemistry,as the brain grows.
     
  16. ginalee14

    ginalee14 eternity

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    I agree that a brain's structure can be altered, yes.

    Scientists did include environmental factors as a cause but that still isn't good enough for me.

    google: neuregulin 1 and susceptibility to schizophrenia
     
  17. Fairlight

    Fairlight Banned

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    Basically,I just don't think whether I eat glutens or not is going to significantly affect my mental health.
     
  18. katkin

    katkin Member

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    ginalee I am surprised is all, and no, I don't mind what you choose to believe.

    Fairlight, I had someone very close to me with paranoid schizophrenia, it got out of control but there was no help provided (and it had naff all to do with glutens). But there is evidence to suggest a genetic link, though not significant to account for all schizophrenia, it is largely down to stressors in life, traumatic experiences. But I do wonder about there being a spectrum. Have you heard this amazingly clever and funny woman on TED talks about the voices in her head: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syjEN3peCJw"]Eleanor Longden: The voices in my head - YouTube
     
  19. ginalee14

    ginalee14 eternity

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    Surprised that I don't conform to worshiping science like the rest of the world, ha.

    But you said it yourself, "it is largely down to stressors in life, traumatic experiences.", so what I originally said couldn't be too surprising after all.
     
  20. katkin

    katkin Member

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    Am not sure about conform so much, but whether you are more influenced to agree with foodies or science it's a choice that you've decided makes the most sense...hmm.

    And yes stressors, not what you said:

     
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