Is LSD important to the salvation of mankind?

I can't speak to the salvation of mankind, but I can say that LSD profoundly changed me and my life. I had one of those difficult childhoods and followed that up with several years on the road and then several years in the military, including a year of combat and there I was a year later laying on a mattress on the floor in an old apartment with infinity opening within me and some kind of huge ancient column entwined with vines growing into that infinity - GOD! And just like that, I was healed. I'm still in process >40 years later, but truly truly, that vision healed me.

I can relate to that messianic idea, but that can be a really dangerous path. Really.

OTOH, people are doing things with psychedelics above ground. See http://www.maps.org/

What a grand time we live in.

 

Oh hey Desos, and there's the transformational festival scene. Acid obviously a huge influence there.

http://thebloom.tv/public/index.php/dashboard/view/1

 

thanks for all the replies it was encouraging.

there are days that i consider giving up the psychedelic way of life and just being sober.

 

I completely agree with you; since my first and only proper experience, alone, I came to similar conclusions than you. I also care more sometimes about the world/humanity/other beings more than my own ego.

LSD taught me to be more individual and more relaxed about life. Since then I have accepted myself so much more (used to feel bad and full of shame for having kinky fetishes for instance, like being abnormal) and not caring about other peoples definitions of life, success or about icons put down to us by society.

Damn, I realise how stupid I was before opening my third eye (not that I believe in chakras, but experienced ego loss or merging with the one) .. Wasted lots of energy on unimportant things! Peace and love!

 

If you do i will gladly take all those tabs off your hands. Would even make it worth your while.

 

Opening yourself up to larger reality is important to the salvation of humanity, and Lsd does help most people to do this to some extent.

So yes in that sense it does help. Someone like Terrence Mckenna puts a very great deal of value in these things as one of the only hopes for our planet.

Put perhaps because the other possibilities of saving ourselves seem to far away for the majority of people. Psychedelics sneak in like drug to get high off, and then end up showing you the secrets to life. Other ways take years of hard work and effort many have given up on.

But the thing that many of us are learning though is that the world doesn't change by you trying to change it. The world changes only when you can change yourself. And yourself is the only thing you have the possibility to change, to thing you can change others is an illusion, it will only be on the surface.

You have to transform yourself, then everything around you will transform. Not that you do anything, just change yourself and your vibrations will carry a different ring to them. And people will pick up on that. When you bring hate, they will bring their hate to you, and when you bring love, people will bring there love to you. You will pick up on each other. When you change you literally change your frame of reality.

So you become more open, clean, healthy, pure, innocent, fun, loving, and caring, and so will the world.

 

lol. well i wouldn't have any to give you right now. besides i think i'll give this psychedelic culture thing another shot.

 

only in the right hands . with great power comes great responsibility.

 

My thoughts are that the "salvation of mankind" is a grandiose delusion.

Mankind is defined by its actions. Our society is mankind. We've willfully created it and continually choose it for ourselves. That's what we are.

What you are arguing for is some way to change mankind into what you wish it to be, to save mankind from itself, which is more akin to fascism than salvation.

 

I don't think LSD is for everyone. Not if the mind isn't ready to receive that type of enlightenment. People needs to grow first before taking that drastic step. Because once you experience that for the first time it can either expand your horizons to new depths unseen or destroy your mind possibly.

 

I agree with your first argument that the "salvation of mankind" is a delusion however if you are suggesting that the actions of mankind don't need a reappraisal at all, I find that fairly short sighted.

I don't think the majority of people starving, impoverished, warring, etc. around the globe Choose it for themselves. I'm not sure how or if LSD would help but LSD certainly has the potential to shake ideological foundations for many, which is what I think Desos was getting at in his personal testimonial with LSD.

 

I disagree that Mankind needs a reappraisal. That is the same exact thought I've already addressed, stripped of the grandiose term "salvation."

Of course they do.

 

Choice is a funny thing, it can make people believe they're in control of their circumstances.

 

Well then I don't follow how you arrive at addressing issues such as poverty, wars, etc. as fascist?

Fascism by it's very nature is war mongering and places the wealth and power to an elite few.

I don't even know what to say to your other response except that I find it rather sad that someone who has taken LSD feels that way, maybe it is prankster attitude. Either way I feel that's exemplary of some of the roadblocks to having psychedelics make significant societal change.

 

yes there is a problem with poverty and wars. but there are also problems with the parts of society that have material security. there are some people whose realities are so skewed that it makes them and others miserable. people who are removed from a healthy lifestyle. people whose lives are filled with hatred, jealousy, loneliness, and fear.

LSD I feel can help open a person up to what it means to be a human being.

 

if you're born in Africa, HIV positive, into poverty with a lack of food and clean water....how exactly is that a choice?

seems like quite an ignorant statement to me.

 

It's interesting how we've come to the same yet mutually opposite conclusions.

You find it sad that someone who has taken LSD feels a certain way, and that my opinion is even a roadblock to be overcome.

I find it disturbing that you have an expectation that all who take LSD should feel a certain way, and is a direct example of the philosophical fascism which I addressed before.

I meant in the existential sense.

In any case, I would say that if the material plight of people truly concerns someone, they'd be better of studying economics, science, or technology rather than dropping acid and thinking of ways to get other people to take acid. It's not a situation in which I see LSD as useful.

 

i don't really understand existentialism..

but i can definitely agree with the paragraph i quoted. unfortunately, people born into extreme "material plights" of not having access to clean water often don't have the privilege of going to school.

i don't think LSD is really the solution here either. but maybe if the CEO of Nestle Water took a hefty dose he would develop some compassion for his fellow humans?

 

You are attributing a sweeping statement to me that I did not make ...

The notion that we are talking about the direct experience of the LSD explorer taking precedent negates it from being fascism by all understandings I have of the term.

I'd like to think that LSD could sway people in a more compassionate, understanding direction. If the LSD experience is merely a random recombination of the mental pieces, than it probably doesn't bode well much in regards to the topic. However I think we have a precedent from the 60's where we can see the potential for radical change of thought and social upheaval, which has had some lasting beneficial changes directly on individuals and our culture.