Who sinned first? Man, Satan or God?

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by GreatestIam, Feb 26, 2014.

  1. GreatestIam

    GreatestIam Member

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    You know this from first hand information. Right?

    It is not just hearsay or book say. Right?

    You would stake your life on that being truth. Right?

    Before you answer. Listen.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vngjoSb-XrE"]Avicii - Liar Liar (Audio) - YouTube

    Regards
    DL
     
  2. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    Are you kidding?
    Eenie meenie chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak,

    Are they friendly spirits,

    just listen...
     
  3. GreatestIam

    GreatestIam Member

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    Time for your drugs friend. In fact it may be too late.

    Regards
    DL
     
  4. Monkey Boy

    Monkey Boy Senior Member

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    Yep, you should try living off the land some time. It will blow your mind.
     
  5. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    LOL

    Uhhh, I don't think I'm the one repeating the same garbage over and over.
    :smilielol5:

    At least you stopped spamming the same youtube videos, but I guess warnings from mods can have that effect.

    Your arguments are utterly devoid of any rational logic whatsoever.
    It is YOUR position that relies on the most rudimentary and juvenile literal interpretation of scriptures, and such an anthropomorphic conception of God that it sounds like you got your ideas from a kindergarten Sunday School primer.
    Yet in all your convoluted and irrational logic you paint any and all Christians with the same brush of ludicrous generalities that have no basis in the majority of Christian thought today.

    I know the others enjoy engaging you in conversation only to be met with deep and resounding philosophical insights such as
    "LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE!!"

    They may enjoy playing along with you, but to me it's akin to pulling a wing off a fly and watching it buzz around in circles, the poor fly thinking it's achieving something when in reality it just provides some amusement for a short while, then it ultimately gets squashed like the insignificant insect that it is.


    Trust me, I'm not the one making themselves look like a fool. ;)
     
  6. Anaximenes

    Anaximenes Senior Member

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    This means the Law exists as a result of judgment of the law, but without going into the whole jurisprudenz thing let us say the law judges us from the Consciousness of the Judge. But in Nature we may not know the Law; as of yet what we are doing according to the law is totally beyond judgment and prudence. THUS: Who sins first in nature as opposed to social reality? In social reality we define a free spirit for and against the law, huh. The Spirit thereby has no law. But that would mean satan did not exist.

    Nature must contradict social reality. God created Himself along with satan over the Earthly Creature.:smilielol5:

    Hegel's Philosophy of Nature.
     
  7. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    He may have some interest in promoting that song :p I don't see why else he would post it multiple times in his threads :p
    It certainly doesn't benefit his other content. Maybe he thinks it looks witty.
     
  8. Indy Hippy

    Indy Hippy Zen & Bearded

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    Go home folks nothing to see here :leaving:
     
  9. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    It is a guilt trip for the feeble minded.
     
  10. AceK

    AceK Scientia Potentia Est

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    God created the whole thing knowing how it's all gonna go down being omniscient and all so idk...it's hard to say ain't it?
     
  11. Monkey Boy

    Monkey Boy Senior Member

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    Blaming God or Satan for the fall is kind of like blaming a missed shot in basketball on the hoop being 10' instead of 9.5'. We can either blame and complain or take another shot and aim a little higher.
     
  12. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    except the whole myth of the fall, is a load of fettid dingoes kidneys.
    and the idea of a satan or the need for there to be one, along with it.

    the only real god, isn't at war with anything.

    and as for the first 'sin', i would call that, the invention of fanatacism.
     
  13. Monkey Boy

    Monkey Boy Senior Member

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    If there is temptation then there is a satan. To me this is proved by trying to eat just one potato chip.

    How is God challenging people being against people?
     
  14. AceK

    AceK Scientia Potentia Est

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    One potatoe chip isn't enough, u would die of starvation. So is satin tempting you to eat too much (to survive)? God knows you need to eat to live, I don't think he'll mind eating a few chip ;)
     
  15. GreatestIam

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    themnax

    Close.

    Literalism is the greatest evil in religion.

    Regards
    DL
     
  16. Monkey Boy

    Monkey Boy Senior Member

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    No, that's a simple way to describe being controlled by desire. Millions of people bow to the chip.(my hand is raised) Desire can either create or destroy depending on if it can be mastered or not.
     
  17. Anaximenes

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    All desire is to be recognized by someone concrete. Only the anointed to the Lord above master their desire for the Power beyond the World. I think this is about the story of Daniel in the lions' den.
     
  18. Monkey Boy

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    Yep, the lions signify animal desire and the angel appearing within the fire is desire conquered and put to use to create. It's repeated over and over again.

    "Jesus said: Blessed is the lion which the man eats, and the lion will become man; and cursed is the man whom the lion eats, and the lion will become man."

    Gospel of Thomas saying 7
     
  19. Anaximenes

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    I know what It Was. The first sinner was preceded by the first creator from the Alpha. In the beginning... it is said; but often first there could have to have been needed a little motivation. The original Sin precedes the concept of Baptism?
     
  20. Monkey Boy

    Monkey Boy Senior Member

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    Baptism signifies desire being used in it's intended form to enable union with God.
    (spiritual life)

    Sin is desire overcoming self-control which leads in the opposite direction to suffering and spiritual death.

    Knowledge of evil is the knowledge of suffering.
     

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