Peace, Love and Harmony aren't universal.

On the other hand…..

 

Ha. More days than not, I'm willing to take a lethal injection. I call it mercy.. sweet, sweet mercy! It's true though, I'm pro-euthanasia. What movie is that from?

 

Values, kindness, unkindness.... these are all fallacies of the human psyche.

 

No, I don't think so. We do have genuine qualities. Psyche isn't a disease of the mind, like the world at large would have us all believe. I'm still looking for the model of psychic health. Anyway, our qualities are rooted in the heart - not the mind.

 

I think she's O.K. I still think it's better than the certain laws of Nature and outer space idea for school being just a passing grade.:mickey:

 

I believe and have seen several times that qualities are what we decide they are. For example I see nothing wrong with doing what I must in order to survive. Yet not every person would agree with me on that statement. What does one consider to be kind or unkind? To call someone a dumbass is unkind? To laugh at another's idiocy is unkind? To tell someone the truth is kind? Hmmm therefore quality of the mind not of the heart. Heart quality is not a definable thing, and neither is mind quality.

 

Scarlet was in the news yesterday, she's having a baby.

 

This could be an endless conversation, or discussion, if we let it become..

I'll just throw this out there: the brain has two hemispheres, constituting the whole of itself. The heart has four chambers, constituting the whole of itself. They're both think centers. The heart is the greater intelligence (nobody comes to the Father but though Christ). The brain / mind can sense just like the heart can, but emotion is our true empowerment. We act according to our feelings about things.

Many people these days tend to worship only a portion of their mental faculties (logic). Logic can strip the life right out of emotions and render a person powerless. Emotion can bypass logic and bring about miracles.

 

While I respect your beliefs I find it necessary to state that I am by no means a believer in your chosen deity. Also you are quite right in saying that this could become an endless discussion. Most of the time these sorts of things do become such because neither side wants to submit to the understanding of the opposite. I do not seek this outcome so I will acknowledge that from a contemporary human perspective your views are very valid, yet at the same time I wish you to consider that I am not speaking from a contemporary human perspective. I come from the perspective that our current mental paths are cluttered and fouled with too much knowledge and not enough wisdom to keep that knowledge flowing. Human perception which we all must use whether knowingly or not is rudimentary at best. Therefore I feel as though such things as peace, love, harmony, grace, kindness, and the lack thereof are inherently flawed because we must as a species label happenings around us to understand what they are. In reality there is nothing evil about death, destruction, decay, disharmony etc. Just as there is nothing good about their opposites. These things simply are and must always be. Alluding to your perspective I will say this. Satan is neither good nor evil nor is God. They, in whatever capacity they exist, simply are.

 

So without falling for these 'fallacies' human life would be better?

 

Hmm that is actually a very good question and also a very hard one to successfully answer. I can only speak from my experience and with that experience I can say yes. Yet this yes is only true for me because it is my experience. If you wish an answer for yourself you must try it.

 

I already have my answer (know it all! ), and I think they are obviously not fallacies just because they can trick us in judging and perceiving things wrong. In fact, we would lack in peace, love AND harmony by getting rid of kindness and most values.

 

As such you are entitled to your opinions my friend. If they are correct for you then let them be. Although I do feel the need to state that in my reality view peace love and harmony are flawed conceptions as well.

 

Well, they are pretty big concepts in human life and nature in general. Maybe they seem flawed because of a particular perception? Even most animals get and need love when being raised (just an example). So I'm actually intrigued what makes you think it is a flawed concept!

 

regurgitated and mashed up Buddhism with a dash of Taoism on the side.

 

I hope he explains it in his own words!

 

Love a concept of what? Do you consider a preying mantis eating it's mate love? A wolf pack leaving it's weakest behind to fend for itself or die love? In reality there is no love or kindness within nature. Not so far as I can see. Do you have evidence to the contrary?

 

Yes, there is a lot of evidence and I think you know it. You just gave an example of love in the animal kingdom yourself. So because it doesn't ends well for the male praying mantis love is a fallacy? I already said it is a very big concept (concept of what? Uhm, the concept of love. Love is the concept we are talking about. If you wanna know what is ment with that just go by the dictionary's definition, it is what I do and it serves me well ).
Just as the praying mantis becomes dinner after mating, there are enough examples that show something contrary. The evidence is all around us. Nature is harsh so newborn animals get love. A fallacy?
The example about the pack leaving the one who's too weak behind: that's not an example about love, it is about survival and primal instinct. When they know they can not save it, what else is there to do?

 

I see Doctor Doolittle. One can talk with the animals. Made a heartthrob for me in my past.
So, I'm for the heart point of view when it comes to social trust and conscience.:biker:

 

posted in another thread, but applies here as well;

That pretty much explains why a lizard will eat it's young with no hesitation, yet as you move up the chain to higher primates, the sense of identity with "the other" and empathy begin to come into play.

Hope that isn't too non-magical of an explanation for you Indy, but it is the most sound and coincides the best with observed data.


please ignore religious references for the sake of this discussion.