Everything doesn't make any sense.

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by neonspectraltoast, Jan 14, 2014.

  1. Anaximenes

    Anaximenes Senior Member

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    Who said that? We can just eat rice.:smilielol5:
     
  2. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    Not me, Monkey Boy. Among barren rock he yet appears.

    I say, there are no idle thoughts.
     
  3. roamy

    roamy Senior Member

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    maybe tik it means don't interupt your mother when shes speaking,cos mothers don't care if your a godess or not,they see manners and respect as the most important things.
     
  4. tikoo

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    thanks . this helps a lot . i have become aquainted with a troubled
    goddess and must meet with her again at least one more time .

    mother is the source
    the source shall be undivided
    the undivided is the everything
    mother is sensible
    the everything makes sense .

    a~d a~
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  5. Everything does not make sense.
     
  6. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    the universal language is not English , yet is your first language . it
    can recognize and address insensibility and notes it as a brokenness
    in the flow of relational thought . it may reveal the liar , the repressor .

    your statement of everything makes no sense may be true because
    you received a brokenness . when it happens to innocence , then universal
    language retreats .

    it may arise again .

    " I can't explain myself or the universe to anyone "... nonspectraltoast .

    universal language reasons from the everything . this can be acted upon .
    should the action be 'explaining' / it will be an art of the moment .

    reasoning from the everything has been dismissed by several established
    philosophies as unreliable .
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    how could the scientific philosophy practitioner explain the self ? as any collection of human
    parts made from the list of parts as so authorized by objective consensus . a proto-android .
    the Moton . this self improves with advancements in randomness programming .
     
  7. themnax

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    diversity being the nature or reality makes perfect sense. its only when we attempt to put words with things, are we capable of making not sense out of them.

    there is no other 'not sense', then what we, as human society, create with words.

    it is when we attempt to communicate, because we are most often forced to rely upon words to do so, that the 'not sense' gets interjected by doing so.
     
  8. tuesdaystar

    tuesdaystar Interneter

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    This seems like a really vague generalization.... "the universe makes no sense"

    What are you saying? It's chaotic? Disordered? Meaningless? What does it mean to make sense?

    Whatever it is you are driving at, I promise there are intellectuals discussing it at great length.

    Try to remove your ego from it. Perhaps the universe would make more sense if there was no you fretting about its senselessness.
     
  9. I'm just saying that everything makes no sense. It's pretty straightforward and I've explained it many times in this thread. I'm tired of repeating myself.

    The universe is chaotic and disordered. I'm not saying that. Science says that. I don't really have an opinion on meaninglessness.

    So what if there are intellectuals discussing it at great length? They're coming to the same conclusion I am, that this all makes no sense, and somehow their point of view is more important than mine?

    ...as if the universe makes perfect sense to you or anyone else here.
     
  10. roamy

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    may your meeting be fruitful in all things positive.:iagree:mother is sensible.she always knows best.:)
     
  11. tikoo

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    as a goddess her language is made from a travelling I Am . it can
    be confounding to her friends and so they say she is hopelessly
    crazy . that reality has been altogether naive .

    i dreamed of her before we met . i mentioned this to her and
    could explain it as receiving a message and all of what i say to you
    now , dear goddess , is respectful of my essential understanding .
    she suspected i did not tell her everything . i did not . the everything
    of that dream of i and you and we belongs to someone who shall be
    responsible and sensible .

    responsible to what ?

    i shall not shatter . my worst nightmare is broken glass . so then i handed
    her some stones . nothing bad happened . her I Am entered me , and then
    emerged to show me something precious she'd found and , yep , she just had
    to speak of it confoundedly . oh , well .
     
  12. roamy

    roamy Senior Member

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    there are as many realitys as there are dewdrops on the grass.but a blade of grass still welcomes the confounded. for nature just is... without judgement.
     
  13. thedope

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    If we weary from presenting our argument time and again it is because it is not convincing.

    Perhaps from order emerges diversity. Diversity as a quantum arrangement looking like chaos.

    Is the intellectual conclusion the same as yours? Your view is not less important but is certainly less sensible by definition than the view of those who find it.



    A new element added to your conversation is the idea of perfect sense.
    What is perfect sense?
     
  14. scratcho

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    If the universe is chaos, how then can celestial bodies hold their positions? It appears to me, that for chaos to have any relative importance, we need only look to the surface of this planet. Forget the rest of it--not worth fretting about. The answers to everything that exists are available---somewhere. The trick, I think, is to ask the right questions.
     
  15. thedope

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    Some are so fundamentally confused they are not clear on what it is they are asking or in turn what they are positing. It does not follow that one's failing to make sense of everything or anything means everything makes no sense. Everything in this linguistic equation represents an object. A subjective claim is being made of an object. The object becomes plain when you understand that you are the weight and the measure or the sensible aspect of everything.
    The ops claim is a conceptual boundary he erected for himself but it doesn't limit the conceptual capacity of others.

    I agree with you and others, there is nothing you can know that can't be known.
     
  16. That's not true at all. Scientists have died for beliefs that no one would believe. Sometimes they've committed suicide. People's egos and emotions get involved even in areas where only facts are being presented, and those who are presenting the facts grow weary in the face of irrationality.

    But anyway, what I'm saying isn't difficult to comprehend, and I wonder if you would still be unwilling to understand if I was of the opposite opinion -- that everything made sense, and that someday we would have all the answers. I've seen people espouse this point of view, without anyone questioning them. I'm simply espousing the opposite: that we will never have all the answers. Which I think is proven by quantum physics.

    That's not really the point, though. The point is that we don't behave as though we will never have the answers, which is the issue I am raising in this thread. I'm not saying I came up with the idea that the universe doesn't ultimately make sense.

    I think it was ridiculous to even mention in this thread that intellectuals are discussing the same idea, as though these ideas shouldn't be discussed by laymen, because better minds are up to the task. I guess none of us should talk about anything, by that standard.

    I don't really see it as a new element, as perfect sense is the same thing as making sense of the universe at all.

    People have been talking about what it means to be sensible in this thread. I would like to add that you can be sensible and not have made sense of everything. There are certain conditions you deal with in the most sensible way possible, which is what it means to be sensible, but no one expects you to completely understand the conditions you're faced with.

    For something to make sense, it has to be understandable and communicable. Reality is not itself understandable and communicable.
     
  17. thedope

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    No one believed means they were not convinced.

    Is we will never have all the answers your final answer? If so you have all the answers you care for.



    That conclusion can only be based on the assumption that you are not real.
     
  18. ...and just because a lot of people aren't convinced of something doesn't mean it isn't true.

    No. To be reasonable, we would all just keep in mind that maybe, this all makes no sense.

    That's not true. There are just at least two alternate ways of looking at reality, and both are equally true, yet neither can be spoken.

    I don't think anyone has proved my version of reality to be any less authentic than any other, at least. This could all just be so abstract that it makes no sense. Why not?
     
  19. Asmodean

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    Why would it matter if all people would keep that in mind instead of just the amount of people that already does so?
     
  20. thedope

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    Not what I imply, I said the argument isn't convincing regardless it be engendered in fact.



    You are being more sensible now. My objection is it's certainty to you.


    I will speak of them. From the outside in or the inside out and of these each demonstrates it's polarity.
     

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