It's best to just face up to the fact that throughout history white men have been the biggest oppressors. If you don't know that, you are just fooling yourself. That doesn't mean it has to be true in the future, but it is definitely true if one is talking about the past.
You can oppress a group, but you can not have a group of oppressors. You can have a culture rife with oppressors, composed of members of a certain group. What you mean to say is that the most oppressors in history have been white men. And that would not be true, if we're talking about numbers of people oppressed. Stalin was georgian, so not black, but not "caucasian". Mao was chinese. And these people practiced extensive sexual repression, under regimes of gender equality. While I feel bad for oppressed groups, past and present, I have NOTHING to do with slave owning americans, world-conquering spanish, or any of that bullshit. Just not my problem. Likewise, I'm not responsible for fuckers who are racist, sexist, or oppressive at this moment, simply because of the colour of my skin or what's between my legs. There was no repression of women until rather recently, some loud -'n-proud women tend to not like it but it's a physical fact that they are a gender that had a different role until modernity. As modernity set it, some men grasped at the past and at power, and tried to subjugate women to make up for advances that meant that the no longer had to fill that role. But make no mistake, that's the role that women fill in a more natural state. There is NOT natural gender equality, there are two genders with very distinct roles, and without them filling those roles humanity would not surive, in a more primal environment. Feminists can shove it about all of history or whatever, before maybe 2 thousand years ago there was nowhere these roles where not necessary, and for most of the world's population, it took much longer than that. For some, they are still necessary. That aside, simply being a woman does not entitle anybody to any sort of reperations for things done by men long dead, to women long dead. Likewise, being a man does not condemn anybody to any sort of pennance or sacrifice for the crimes of those long dead, against others long dead. There was a legitimate feminist movement, and now it's gone. There is a little bit of a legitimate movement for equality, but most of it is self-proclaimed feminists who are exactly that which they despise (when it's a man being that) and who have the same poor grasp on logic and reality as men who gravitate towards that sort of position of trying to domitate and subjugate other genders, races, religions, or whatever. At this moment, the feminist extremists have created an image, even in the minds of men (however, only in the minds of innocent men -- what oppressor is going to feel bad about being an oppressor?) of women being equal, but still weak and in need of outrageous protections under the law, but men being essentially untrustworthy and without value, and not deserving basic legal protections from abusive women. In short, they don't want equality, and at this moment, the scale has been tipped far past equality in many respects, in the US.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF_WLlMWk6U"]Men's Rights versus Feminism explained using magnets - YouTube This is the reality.
Charge of Rationalization (Code Purple) – The Sour Grapes Charge Discussion: The target is accused of explaining away his own failures and/or dissatisfaction by blaming women for his problems. Example: “You are just bitter because you can’t get laid.” Response: In this case, it must be asked if it really matters how one arrives at the truth. In other words, one may submit to the accuser, “What if the grapes really are sour?” At any rate, the Code Purple shaming tactic is an example of what is called “circumstantial ad hominem.” http://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/shaming-tactics/
" it started when women started asking for stuff." How dare women ask for "stuff'! (excuse the technical term). They probably even want to vote!! Wah--wah---I'm white and I'm so mistreated. I want my "stuff" back--wah--wah.
Ridiculous. Even if feminism were the malignant, hateful conspiracy you think it is, it's still pretty far from being the biggest threat that western civilization faces.
You're resorting to ridicule and tearing down a straw-man version of the arguments made on this thread. I'll take what you have to say seriously when you present a serious argument.
I find that ridicule is the best way to let the air out of specious/ ridiculous/supercilious postulations. Ridicule is what I usually resort to. Keeps me from calling people dumb fucks when they in fact are---dumb fucks. With all due respect--I don't give a shit if I'm taken seriously or not. I just put out there what I think----and that's that.
You have a right to post what you want, scratcho. I acknowledge your indifference to the opinions of others. However, imho, those who resort to the "I know what I know and I don't have to prove it, and anyone who disagrees is a dumb fuck" line of argument demonstrates themselves to be a dumb fuck. I like you scratcho, but I can't respect your reasoning here.
You've attributed characteristics to me that don't exactly ring true. I've NEVER --EVER--said that I was right on anything, that I can remember. I just have a way of using hyperbole against hyperbole. Being wrong doesn't hurt much. "Feminazi agenda" is, I believe, a Rush Limbaugh created saying. "Ruined america". No. Don't think women asking for equal rights has ruined anything except those that get uptight when women ----yup--ask for equal rights. But I will say that as much trouble as it is to maintain a "strong dislike" for someone, that's what I do maintain for that shit -stirring motherfucker, Limbaugh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlvMAS_20K4"]Men not marrying? How deep does "the problem" go? - YouTube
I guess I don't know for sure, but I would say that civil rights issues in general aren't considered to be as important as say, war, the economy, security, climate change, natural disasters, disease epidemics, terrorism, outsourcing, trade, privacy, etc. It sucks that discrimination exists, but none of that would matter in the slightest if the Taliban nuked LA.
Something like 80%+ of men are married by 40. Being bitter about women definitely isn't going to help the stats, though.
well, if you say a thing is a fact, , it's about the same as saying you are right about it I don't think he created it, but he seems to be the one for popularizing it. I think it was inevitable that someone was going to use the term. I don't think that an argument is illegitimate simply because you use terms also used by another person I see feminism as an implicitly and inherently supremacist social movement. I have no objection to women having rights, and I think that there are legitimate women's issues. I don't like him either
Charge of Irascibility (Code Red) Discussion: The target is accused of having anger management issues. Whatever negative emotions he has are assumed to be unjustifiable. Examples: “You’re bitter!” “You need to get over your anger at women.” “You are so negative!” Response: Anger is a legitimate emotion in the face of injustice. It is important to remember that passive acceptance of evil is not a virtue. http://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/shaming-tactics/
41 percent of first marriages end in divorce. 60 percent of second marriages end in divorce. 73 percent of third marriages end in divorce. 4 divorces every minute This is the statistics for the united states. Percent Married White Men 44 % White Women 51 % Black Men 32 % Black Women 26 % Hispanic Men 43 % Hispanic Women 45 % These are the recent statistics. Its not bitter if you don't like your rights being stomped on and decide to go mgtow.
Actually the numbers are much lower than that, in 2010 58% of men and 55.2% of women have never been married. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0193922.html