Everything doesn't make any sense.

I think some things make sense. I disagree with you, pal. How old are you?

What doesn't make sense to me is it seems I was born for no apparent reason.

And the majority of the world is still doing bad wicked shit.

And it doesn't seem likely to change, or that good can overpower and defeat bad.

repp'd. I totally think the things I've obsessed over lately make sense. Ya gotta think to your strengths, for me I look for patterns.

 

I don't think it can possibly make sense anywhere. Albeit I agree with you, it makes abysmal sense here. But I think that most of our troubles arise from people trying to make perfect sense of it. If we would all agree that we are fallible and this place makes no ultimate sense, we would all be much happier.

 

I'm thirty-three. You haven't read everything I've written...

I'm not arguing that nothing makes any sense. I'm arguing that everything makes no sense. That is to say, there is no solution for everything. There is no equation that is the equivalent of everything, such that the equation could capture the meaning inherent in everything. There are no words; there is no sense.

Some things certainly do make sense. But it is pointless to try and find a logical reason behind existence itself.

 

well that's the big one. not sure we can answer that, other than as a pattern of growth.

I'm a fan of the tauras theory/the universe is much like our human conscious, infinitely reflective of itself, etc. etc.

Are you a scientist or physicist? How the fuzz are you going to answer that one? Einstein tried to do so, and he couldn't. I don't think you can figure it out with just thought though.

I believe it's worth keeping it in mind. You might not be around when someone finally does, but pointless? I'm not so sure. Just don't be hell bent on logically answering it.

Also realize we are designed to infinitely keep thinking. To 'logically answer life' is just the part of you that wants to stop thinking and feel eternal satisfaction.


I hope I haven't offended with my (hopefully) relevant thoughts.

 

No offense taken!

I consider myself a scientist, but I'm not a physicist. I do think all scientists should agree that everything doesn't make sense, as a rule of thumb, and then continue on their merry way.

I think we should all get a little nuts in other words, forego the order of things and get into the groovy mystery of things. I think people are vulnerable, so they are reticent to release control. Just get laid back and say, "To hell with making sense of this place, just let the night ride!"

How can you explain it, though? What is it to feel the light of the sun or the warmth of a lover? Sensation comes a priori to knowledge. The truth can only be experienced directly, not formulated in words. It is only in its purest form when experienced. But it doesn't make logical sense.

That's what I'm saying. We're not destined to become this infallible, omniscient God who knows the answer to everything. Both science and religion seek to attain this nonexistent state of "perfection." Neither has given up the quest for all the answers, whether it be in this life or the next. But really I think we are better explained as children of this unfolding chaos.

 

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making sense is not something the universe, nor the human species, is in any way obligated toward.

however, we are each capable, of viewing both from a perfectly sensible perspective.

that of the nature of existence being statistical, and as nearly limitlessly diverse, as we are able to observe.

we impose nonsensicalness upon it, when we let our egos prompt us into supposing we, even as a species and a world, could possibly be the center and purpose of it.

 

That's fine, but the problem is that this is rarely a point of contention. We need to be much more mindful, as a species, of this place not making any sense. It's plain to see that no one has made sense of it, and the truth is that no one can or ever will. We need to recognize this and embrace the mystery of the cosmos. We need to shout at the top of our lungs that this place makes no sense!

That we are, that we are. We have to keep other's well-being close to our hearts. But I don't think admitting that we are confounded is a threat to anyone, except perhaps the various establishments who claim to have all the answers.

 

I was just talking to my buddy last night how we love spacious things (space) and warmth/light (the sun). I think this also is a pattern. The sun feeds us all. Space is also important. There's lots of it. This is why the opposite is an ailment and claustrophobia is an illness.



The reason I do not like the statement "everything doesn't make sense," is because it seems to imply there isn't a common pattern or knowledge that grows and grows (and continues to reinfornce itself) that we can try and chase in understanding.

Everything doesn't make sense, now , sure. But I think the Universe itself derives in some sense. If not even a real sense of chaos. Atoms have erupted and formed this universe in a very sense-driven pattern. To claim shit's just wonky and unexplainable is little misguided, imo.

I totally disagree again. We as humans love warmth. It's central. Cold kills us. The Sun is energy. The Sun is warm.

I know love is fancy and dandy and all but that too is just infatuation/we are taught not to be lonely and that friends and lovers are good.


But we do like connecting our egos with others.


You can argue the sense of connecting with each other is central, and important, and you have a lot of 'one'ness theories to support that.


Still these things seem very well explained to me.

Doesn't matter if you sense prior or after to knowledge if there's knowledge to explain it.

 

The physical world makes perfect sense, there is an order to everything even if we don't understand it at this current time. People's action however, don't always make sense...at least not to me, they probably made sense to that person somehow. Somethings just are, and don't necessarily have to "make sense"...It is what it is ya know?

 

It isn't meant to imply that at all. We do have a shared knowledge of things that do make sense, and we should continue trying to reinforce our understanding of the world -- with the steady and persistent reminder that there is no way of ultimately quantifying everything.

I don't see why this should pose a hindrance, as though science is a quest to explain everything away. Rather I think the fundamentally mysterious nature of existence is what literally hypnotizes us, challenging and defying us to solve it.

All I am suggesting is that we realize and accept now that we can't "solve" it. The universe isn't out there to be solved, as though its mystery will one day disappear when someone "figures it out." Its mystery is enduring, forever, and will never disappear. Because why does it exist? Why is there anything at all, rather than nothing?

lol I'm not claiming things are just wonky. But unexplainable, yes. Things being unexplainable doesn't make them wonky. Rather I think the unexplainable part is exactly what makes them so wonderful.

It isn't "just infatuation" as though you can deflate love by calling it infatuation. In those words you haven't explained my experience of love at all. For me it isn't "just" inflation but rather "motherfuckin' infatuation, man! Yeah!" (And still I haven't captured what love is actually like for me.)

 

Some things just are, like the universe, and it doesn't have to make sense. That is my point. You have to operate on faith that the universe makes perfect sense. That's how science is like religion. That's why I'm saying we need more people acknowledging that this doesn't have to make sense.

 

Maybe the universe will never "make sense" in the sense that we'll never be able to answer all the questions because some things are beyond out ability to measure or even observe at all. We can learn as much as we and try to understand "how" things behave. We can usually eventually get to the bottom of the who, what, whens and hows but we'll never be able to answer the "why" question. We can make observations and come to an understanding of physics, how matter and energy behave. We will never be able to answer why the laws of physics are the way they are. Why were these particular values chosen as constants, such as the speed of light? Why isn't the speed of light half or double what it is? We can plug these values into the equations and see that things would be a lot different but why was the speed of light chosen to be what it is? It just is, it has to be that way, cuz if it wasn't we wouldn't be here for sure and whatever beings happened to live in the universe would wonder the same question.

 

Nothing makes sense but some things make LESS sense than others. I would put God very low on the scale of probability with extreme levels of nonsense. While space itself, and its fluctuations evolving complexity over time, place much closer to the points of reason and fair probability.

 

Thank you. I think the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle proves that the universe defies description at its most basic level. This is the kind of sense I am saying that it doesn't make; it defies description.

I see many atheists and theists as sharing a faith in God, in that many atheists and theists alike aim for infallibility. It's an ideal that will never be achieved and should be let go of completely. Admit that we don't and can't have all the answers.

 

even the best couples agree the 'fucking infatuation man!" dissolves after 2-3 years. After that, you physically have to work on getting along. I think two people can share a deep mutual love and respect for each other, but I think it's simply admission of closing that scary gap of personal space. Doing this to a high level gets really hard, especially with all our social boundaries and rules & 'personalties', which makes it rare.

It is an expression of

"one-ness" in its most eloquent expression.

Perhaps I haven't allowed myself to let myself fall in love/get caught up in whatever it is that you experienced.

-- The universe's descriptions are unexplainable or weird in nature. It sounds like is some of the gist of what you're saying?

The Universe always grows, likely faster than our knowledge of it will ever come to.

 

I was only saying it's "fucking infatuation" to express that love can't be made mundane in nature -- Nothing can be made mundane in nature. Everything is phenomenal in nature in the purest sense of the word.

I think often when we find something confounding we call it "weird". Some people find weird things frightening and other people indulge in weirdness. I am promoting indulgence in weirdness. I wouldn't say it's weird in a "wonky" way. But it is weird in a confounding, mysterious way.

 

I never said I had answers, just the ability to reason and estimate some probabilities. "I don't know therefore flying spaghetti monsters are just as likely as hydrogen". Ummmmm NO! Because I have a process in my head called REASONING.

If you think real science has anything to do with faith then you've been hoodwinked by the bullshitters with all their bullshit agendas. Skepticism and scrutiny are the mechanisms of real science.

 

^ I think you have a process in your head called CONVICTING or JUDGING. Like when it seems not a satisfying explanation for you everybody else that has it must not be reasoning at all.
Acknowledging we don't have all the answers but be open for new interpretations (wether they come from the scientific, spiritual or the philosophical field does not matter) is a common trait that can be found in all kinds of people. Saying that a person who finds it just as likely that there might be a deity behind all this can not be a skeptical individual seems rather unreasonable.