Psychedelic Bump XXIII

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bonnet_syndrome

 

I find mxe to be less psychedelic than ketamine; its more of a drawn out state that focuses on the body high. it's very much like the difference between s ketamine and r ketamine; which incidently, would explain your experiences. the two isomers are extremely different, and if youre just lying there numbed out and dumb thinking 'when will this end', that to me sounds very much like r isomer ketamine, which is low on the psychedelic effects and high on the anaesthetic effects.

I find 250mg ketamine up the nose to be one of the most profound psychedelic experiences available . . . timothy leary agreed and thought it was side by side with LSD in terms of spiritual potential. unfortunately unlike LSD it is addictive, easy to abuse (in terms of doing smaller 'bumps' over and over, missing the greater psychedelic target and floating in a nebulous state of dissociation), and i think issues of purity and cutting are just as big if not bigger than with LSD.

Ketamine is more psychedelic than MXE because it's like the whole 6 hour mxe trip condensed into 1 hour and the comeup is also proportionally faster . . . like 1-5 minutes compared to 20-60 minutes. it's also much less physically stimulating, which aids the mind in loosening its connections with the body and facilitating just lying there. if i had an infinite supply of K and MXE i don't think i'd really ever touch the MXE, or certainly much less than the K.

Ketamine is so much more than forgetting who you are . . . i wouldn't even use those words to describe it at all, that makes it sound like some opiate or alcohol drunk. it's quite a striking experience of deconstruction of the mental world, so very different from 'ego death'. the ego remains present but highly segmented, like an infinite series of infinitely thin slices all floating about on their own, and yet unified by some awesomely titanic 'oneness' that seems to embody the scale of the quark and the galaxy at the same time.

ketamine on LSD . . . top shelf stuff right there.

 

i might be interested in one day trying DMT on LSD, but mostly..whenever i take LSD, i find that it mixes perfectly with itself. just LSD is really good enough.

 

Yeah I agree . . . I rarely think "this could use some more drugs" haha. even when i make plans to mix with something i back out 90% of the time. sometimes less is more

 

i'm only ever tempted to mix two drugs that are great by themselves. like maybe LSD + miprocin. but each is so great by itself...do they really need to be combined? i might try it sometime. same for 4-aco-dmt and miprocin (low doses of each).

miprocin + 2cb?

 

quoted for truth.

 

i had some DMT when dad died. a week later some family cid.. wish Ida saved the demster..

 

Nice post writer. Very interesting having never tried ketamine but mxe numerous times.

 

Bump for ~3g kratom (sumatra red vein) and 35mg MXE, spaced apart by around 2 hours. let's see how this goes. didn't plan to combo but feel like doing mxe now, internet says combo is safe and very pleasurable.

 

the internet says a lot of things

pharmacologically appears safe short=term. MXE has its merits at moderate dosage, long-term it would seem has the same disadvantages as ketamine. kratom is safe as weed if you ask me. so-called kratom addiction has the same withdrawal symptoms as cannabis.

 

Took the miprocin up to 14mg yesterday. Aiming for 18mg, with maybe a plateau-prolonging redose, tomorrow.

14mg gave an even more intense cold/shivering come-up, a couple minutes where moving visuals were visible right at the very peak, but they went away again as I settled into the plateau, although sub-visuals of striking shapes/colors and fractals were visible for the remainder.

Any guesses as to whether the 18mg will result in a subjectively higher level given the 48-hr turnaround? (Clarification: I didn't test out the 48-hr turnaround last week as I was planning in my last post. The 14mg last night was my first time since the 11mg a week previous, and the level was definitely slightly higher).

 

Hello. Love you all and miss you all but decided to try and spend more time in real life and less on the internet for now (as much as possible). I even deleted my facebook!

That being said, I am having a marquis/"mdma" issue. I was REALLY happy to come across what was supposed to be some real MDMA, but when I went to test it, it gave me a color that isnt even on the chart that they provide with the test. Im really dissapointed and hope I can get some help.

Anyone have anything to say about this? Definitely not purple/black!

 

Yellow is usually indicative of methylone or some other cathinone on the marquis.

 

Looks exactly like the reaction for methylone.

 

bummer that your "mdma" turns out to be methylone or something similar...

makes me more eager to test the "molly" that i got given to me. i was planning on it, just haven't got around to it yet.


raga, i don't have any advice about dosing miprocin within two days. my usual advice would be to wait at least a week. a friend that ate a decent amount of my miprocin noticed that there was some definite tolerance after tripping every weekend or so on it.

sounds like 14 mg wasn't quite what you were looking for. if i were you, i'd just eat 20 mg next time (especially if you choose to dose just a couple days later, with tolerance). 20 mg shouldn't be overwhelming. and probably not much different from 18. as you may know, 18-20 mg is my preferred dose of miprocin, so far.


if i eat some this weekend with my brother, i think i'll take 22 mg

 

That blows about the methylone. Never had any interest in cathinones since I saw a girlfriend have a real bad freak-out on mephedrone once.

Thanks for the advice, pork. I will go ahead and give the 20mg a try tomorrow (my one friend is going to take 14mg and another wants to try 9mg), then I will definitely give it a rest for a while.

 

I wouldn't mind methylone, but is it possible that it could be something different, like GB said ''some other cathinone'' ? Because I don't want any crazy stimulant action. After reading up on methylone, people seem to say they like it better than MDMA for a chill ''at home'' situation, and that it doesn't last as long as MDMA, which is actually perfect because that's the setting I wanted to take it in (at the cottage with my girlfriend, next to the fire). She has never taken any drugs aside from weed and if it is indeed methylone, it could even better than MDMA...

Might as well test it if you have the kit...

yeah, that's my main concern here. Methylone - OK. Mephedrone - no thanks.

Dammit! Why are most drug dealers unreliable!?

 

i don't have a kit. but it would be really easy to make marquis reagent in the lab - it's only two ingredients.

 

oh yeah thats true I forgot about the whole science thing!

 

I would say it is most likely methylone or butylone, both of which are slightly less potent but have dosage responses fairly similar to MDMA. I've knowingly only taken methylone of those, it feels pretty good but it's definitely nowhere near as cognitively interesting or has the music enhancement and psychedelic qualities in my experience. MDMA is a much more disproportiante serotonin releaser than methylone, so with methylone's relatively balanced monoamine releasing qualities this basically translates to usually a less powerful peak but also May not be as bad as a crash. I'd prefer to take MDMA everytime though particularly if I'm dosing with someone else, but methylone can be a good option in a chill enviornment and if work or demands need to be met the following morning or something. (Although people seem to more frequently redose methylone in a manner more like cocaine which may negate this)

Mdpv, mdpp and I believe some report 4-MEC to give a yellow color reaction on the marquis as well which are more stimulating. I doubt that it would be any of these, MDPV in particular, due to certain factors such as potency and such. I don't know what new wave cathinone replacements such as dimethylone test like on the marquis.