Holocaust Revisionism

I agree, only I feel like he understands how offensive this is but he's a TROLL and doesn't really give a crap. My first day here, he made a thread apologizing to everyone for being "annoying" then he continued on with this bullshit. Titling anything related to Holocaust victims suffering as "conspiracy" is trolling.

He strikes me as much younger than 28, which leads me to believe no one has called him on his shit.

Well guess what, I'm that bitch.

 

Also, having your multi come back you up on your thread that went south is pretty lame.

 

Btw AmericanTerrorist I wish I could respond to you, thanks for your comment on my wall! I am using a new Mac and even tho my Java is installed properly now, for some reason I can't reply to people or write on their walls.... so thank you here! You're a pretty cool chick

 

Haha...@ your last statement.
Hm, I think I missed the apology thread and any previous drama or controversy. I haven't been online too much in recent weeks. In any case, yea, trolling or just.... how do I say this nicely?-not very...insightful? sure that works. Yea, it's either one of the other but I don't quite have a full grasp on which one... sometimes I think certain people really aren't trolling they just seem like they should be that's how ridiculous they sound.

 

Honestly, I'm more interested in promoting the dissemination of information regarding other genocides than questioning the Jewish genocide. Whether it happened or not, what really fucks with me is the way that the Jews profit off of it so god damned much. A similar number of people were killed by Stalin in the Ukrainian Holodomor genocide and there was Rwanda and Bosnia too. None of these are regularly discussed in school (unless covered by a very specific course). We don't have museums in many many many cities of the Bosnian genocide. There aren't books, plays and movies made 6 times a year about Ukrainians being starved to death and forced to the point of cannibalism.

Like many atrocities were committed during WWII, but the modern Jews have taken advantage of what was done to their forefathers for their political and emotional benefit to such a ridiculous extent. They've created a taboo and they've created a situation wherein questioning their dirty politics makes you a "holocaust denier" or an "antisemite", all while the Zionists are essentially ghettoizing and dominating their own new group of people possibly to the point of what could be considered genocide.

It's funny how social behaviours can be taught. Look at Liberia, where freed slaves learned to enslave natives. Sometimes when a group of people has something done to them, they immediately do it to another group of people. We can be cruel animals man.

 

Quoted for emphasis! Do you now understand why I called you naive, OP?

 

Another poster complained that other atrocities are not being dicussed in this thread. Someone recommended that he open a new thread in which he can discuss what he wants. When he continued to complain, I asked him why he is still not taking care of that complaint. You believe that that's being pushy? I think you're overly sensitive.

 

And now this thread has been taken over by trolls attempting to console each other by engaging in group ad-hom attacks. This is how some people react to their own lack of argument.

The topic is holocaust revisionism. No one here has denied the holocaust. I looked into it, and I found evidence that the gas chamber aspect is untenable. No one cares to offer anything that would change that. That's OK. Then simply don't discuss it.

Karen believes that I write as if I have some kind of authority over other people. But this thread is not about how she feels about how I write, or whether or not I have authority over other people. She genuinely seems to be unable to answer any points concerning the dynamics of the cyanide gas in reference to the feasability of the idea of mass gassings and the removal of bodies.

EDIT: Hedgeclipper, I do not consider you to be a troll in this thread!

 

SO everyone agrees that no is "properly" researching, nor "properly" disputing.
We also agree no one has outright said the whole thing is a lie.
I also think we can agree that being put in prison specifically for a personal belief, no matter how horrible the belief, is uncalled for. A violation of rights.
(but the holocaust was a bigger violation of rights. Can't dispute that one!)

I hope we all agree then that this discussion is over because of the aforementioned agreements.

 

What did you meant by this: "Also, having your multi come back you up on your thread that went south is pretty lame."?
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And no, everyone does not agree that no one has properly researched or properly disputed the gas chamber issue. I do, however, agree that if you had researched this thread at all, you would have seen this:

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Dr. Robert Jan van Pelt is a professor of architecture at the University of Waterloo, Canada, and is widely considered to be the foremost expert on the technique and operation of the Auschwitz gas chambers. He claimed that the ventilation systems of the gas chambers were efficient enough to remove virtually all of the remaining HCN after a mass gassing so that the Sonderkommandos could enter the chambers within a very short time after the death of all of the victims in order to do their work. He said, "The situation in the gas chambers was different. With its powerful ventilation system and with the fact that most of the hydrogen cyanide was absorbed by the victims' bodies, the time needed to ventilate the gas chambers so the Sonderkommandos could safely enter them to remove the bodies could be reduced to twenty minutes."

David Olere was a French-Jewish man who was deported to Auschwitz in 1943. Dr. Van Pelt claimed that Olere is one of the most important eyewitnesses to the operation of the gas chambers. In Van Pelt's own words, the sketches of Olere "provide a very important visual record of the design and operation of the gas chamber and incinerators of Crematorium 3." Throughout his entire study he promotes the idea that Olere is a credible eyewitness by showing how his sketches are consistent with physical evidence.

However, in his book, van Pelt failed to include one of Olere's most important drawings. That painting shows the Sonderkommandos opening the gas chamber door and pulling the bodies out after a mass gassing. In the painting, the inmates are shirtless, and they are not wearing any gas masks, rubber gloves or protective suits. It seems likely that van Pelt failed to include this important sketch because he realized it could not have happened the way Olere claimed it did. Authoritative industrial sources confirm the extreme danger surrounding the use of HCN. Poisoning can easily occur by inhalation or skin absorption.

Bill Armontrout, was an expert witness at the second Ernst Zundel trial in Toronto. He was warden of the Missouri State Penitentiary, which includes an execution gas chamber. He said, "One of the things that cyanide gas does, it goes in the pores of your skin. You hose the body down, see. You have to use rubber gloves, and you hose the body down to decontaminate it before you do anything else." Armontrout testified that there was only one consultant in the United States that he knew of in the design, operation, and maintenance of gas chambers. That consultant was Fred Leuchter.

In court, Armontrout testified to the safety precautions that were necessary to prevent those who handled the dead criminal's body from being poisoned by the deadly HCN themselves. He said, "The ventilation fan ran for approximately one hour before two officers equipped with Scott air-packs could opened the hatch of the gas chamber and remove the lead bucket containing the cyanide residue. The two officers wore rubberized disposable clothing and long rubber gloves. They hosed down the condemned man's body in the chair, paying particular attention to the hair and the clothing because of the cyanide residue, then removed him and placed him on a gurney where further decontamination took place."

Since Leuchter is part of this discussion, it should be noted that he spoke of the dangers surrounding the handling of just one victim that was poisoned by HCN in a gas chamber: "You go in. The inmate has to be completely washed down with chlorine bleach or with ammonia. The poison exudes right out through his skin. And if you gave the body to an undertaker, you'd kill the undertaker. You've got to go in; you've got to completely wash the body."

Authoritative industrial sources confirm the extreme danger surrounding the use of HCN; poisoning can easily occur by inhalation or skin absorption.

I'm hoping that I don't have to explain how van Pelt's claim that, due to the poison gas being absorbed by all the dead bodies, the ventilation fans made the environment safe enough in twenty minutes for the Sonderkommandos to go in and haul out lots and lots and lots of bodies. That's my hope anyway. But I have my doubts.
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And now that you have seen it, why don't you go ahead and properly dispute it instead of offering a troll's perspective?

 

I mean you don't agree the other side is properly researching/disputing, and vice versa.
Obviously you think you're doing a good job

I haven't even tried disputing any of it, pro or con, because I'm NOT willing to do any research. Don' want to, doesn't interest me. My right.

I was just making the same observation as everyone else. This "debate" is hardly about the holocaust at this point. Yes, some people are trying to bring it back with their findings. But otherwise it's become very opinion based, and oftentimes personal. No good is coming of this thread.

 

'with perhaps Pressed_Rat and maybe one or two truly constructive and open-minded "believers"'

Just sayin'

 

If you want to discover the truth, I'd suggest you visit the site of the Dachau Concentration Camp. It's just outside of Munich, and if you're already in the UK, it would be an easy trip.

I was in Munich on business a few years ago and decided to make the trip. I can't say it was something I wanted to do, but being that close, it seemed like something I needed to do. The biggest disappointment is it's not well marked. I didn't expect shimmering billboards advertising it as a tourist attraction, but at least some signs pointing the way. I had to ask a few people in town how to get there. I don't speak any German other than a few basics, but the people were very polite and I eventually found the site.

Visiting Dachau is very sobering. Most of the barracks have been destroyed, but the footings remained for all the buildings and a couple had been restored. The ovens where innocent people were killed still stood as well as an execution area where people were shot. This place was not a place for Prisoners of War, rather it was a horrific execution site where thousands were mass murdered. I believe places still carry the aura of what's happened in the past, and Dachau had a strong feeling of sorrow, There were numerous reports of what life was like for the prisoners. Everything was stated as factual, little color was added. Walking through the Visitors Area, the staff was polite and helpful, but there was none of the smiling, polite laughter found at most tourist destinations. Everyone was very somber - staff and visitors as well.

I forget the numbers on how many people were held at Dachau or how many were killed. I just remember the figures were staggering.

If you really feel the Holocaust was a lie, I suggest you study the topic a little and maybe make a couple of visits. Going to the concentration camp you may find a few people who worked there, were prisoners there, or are related to former captives. Look in their eyes. None of it was a lie.

 

Sunshine,

You're not willing to do any research; you don't want to; and it doesn't interest you? Then what can you possibly be doing in this thread but trolling for the sake of trolling?

And you, like most every other person in this thread, are not answering the science behind the cyanide gas issue; specifically the belief that people just walked into the alleged gas-chamber just twenty minutes after a mass gassing and physically handled the dead bodies without being poisoned. I assume that all concede that point.

 

she's tired of seeing a painful topic being trivialized. YOU WILL NEVER GET AN ACCURATE FIGURE AS TO HOW MANY PEOPLE DIED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. But it's been addressed many times over, by many reputable sources. Addressing a group of clueless sheep is not going to help you. Seriously how stupid do you have to be? You're asking people who aren't historical scholars, to substantiate your fucked up conspiracy theory. Like I said get your head out of you're ass.

 

The Wizard of Oz was made in 1939.. What would be the infancy of cgi, and special effects..

 

Charming...

 

People died in ovens.

Think of it from a first person perspective. You are the guy in the oven.

You stand packed shoulder to shoulder with men just like you, the air becomes dry and hot around you. People begin to sweat. And you stand there for two hours, while your torturer lets you feel the heat. Unable to sit, your lungs are beginning to condense and it becomes more difficult to get a full breath of oxygen. You said goodbye to your wife and child months ago. You don't know what's happened to them, or that your wife was raped and genitals mutilated after they got her pregnant and performed a c-section on her. They didn't sew her up, they left the gaping hole in her belly and set a timer to count how long it would take her to die. You don't know that your child's eyes were poked, and he will be used for scientific research for the next year and a half. He'll stay in a tiny bunk, without hugs or love, watching other children suffer from physical wounds that go untreated because theres a test being conducted about how the inferior races fare when being exposed to stab wounds, and internal organ injuries. You don't know this about his life now. But you stand there and you hope they're dead so they don't have to endure the pain you are as you stand there with your skin burning, your brain baking. The guy next to you has passed out, or maybe he's dead you don't know but he's leaning on you. You feel men around you, humiliated as you were forced to be together naked for months in the cold (they stole your clothes and burned them). The fear in the room is tangible, your heart is full of sadness. You probably pray and beg God for his mercy to help take you away from this place where your skin is boiling and bubbling. You see it rip apart before you eventually pass out from pain and lack of oxygen. Your body is baked until your ashes are shoveled out the room, because this was an easy get rid of your stinking corpse.

Do you think about the meaning of this and how people died when you morbidly ask for a number of who died? No you don't.

Does it really matter whether the number of deaths is off by 100k? It's a fucking horrible way to die.

 

I don't see you taking a decisive role, or picking a side. So you're acting like a sheep if that offends you, stand up for what's right.

 

If I have to 'pick a side' it isn't the one storch and Hoppípolla are on.
I'm not sure what you mean by a 'decisive role'.
I did have a little more enthusiasm (for want of a better word) five days ago, that's for sure.

p.s My feelings were not hurt too much.
Perhaps change the spelling in your earlier post from 'gentiles' to 'genitiles'.