Would you reveal secrets of an organization that you belong to?

I forgot to address this last night.

I'm a manly man! Haha

 

What's that quote from--what is it, the bible. "When I was a child, I spoke as a child. When I became a man, I put away my childish things." Probably not exactly right, but the point is revealed.

I'm sure someone here knows the quote.

 

1 Corinthians 13:11

 

if you won't get in trouble, and it won't harm you or yours, who cares? humans communicate. freedom is free.

 

You need to consider the nature of your oath, and the consequences of breaking it. If you have an agreement based upon morality and integrity, then ofcourse you shouldn't break it. If its a grey area, then most people will err on the side of caution and not readily break the confidence. A promise is a form of moral obligation.

However, if people are using secrecy to commit and perpetuate seriously bad shit, then you are more morally bound to break that confidentiality. Or atleast, should not be considered bound by it.

There is certainly such a thing as discretion, privacy etc. But lets be honest, secret societies have good people and bad(or very bad!) people. Would you have joined a lodge/society to cause a load of shit to innocent people. And then be "morally bound" to keep quiet on it, because you were brainwashed into thinking "covering up shit is a good thing"? Ofcourse not.

There's a saying in the bible about evil flourishing in the dark. And how the light flushes it out.

In business, I've come across some absolute pondlife, who relish boasting about the shit they did. Guess what? I felt aboslutely ZERO obligation to keep confidential what they did. And yes it did come back to bite them in an extremely big way. And I'd do the same again. Every time.

 

Are you John Kerry?

 

Freedom is in no way free. That is absolute air, I'm sorry. The piles of bodies your freedom stands on to make such air begs to differ. (Sheesh!)

 

Sorry that one's lost on me, I'm in Britain

Basically, I think everything works on moral codes. Sure they may vary between people and between groups. But if someone thinks all that is beneath them, then they deserve a day of reckoning... I suppose its a bit like "real life karma".

 

Still love that smile, outfit and dog though.

 

Sho' nuff!

 

I'm assuming this thread is about the Masons, or something similar. I know a few. There are the ones who think its healthy to network. Then there are the ones who think its fun to take the piss. The latter group tend to get unstuck at some point. They also get guided up, so they can be blackmailed by their snrs. I don't have any sympathy will em, when they bite off too much.

 

LOL @ secret handshake.
What are you, 12?

 

Thats a bit like the claim of "honour amongst thieves" tho..

Regarding dirty and sinister secrets, people keep them because of fear, or because they can get something out of them. They don't do it "because its the right thing to do". And fear can only get someone so far.

As Mob informants found in the last couple of decades, it was often easier to inform than keep Omerta..
And from my experience, that lot have as much "honour" as a gang of gypsies.Who'd become politicians.
Likewise with certain lodges.

 

Ok, you don't get to learn the secret handshake now.

What the secrets are is not the point. I do respect the rituals of any organization as long as the organization is not corrupt or harmful in purpose. But I don't use the handshake now, the brothers that I still see now and then don't use it or the password for that matter. We feel that it was just a group of people with a common cause (extending a helping hand, and also partying and getting laid).

BTW, my auto correct is screwing up my posts...we actually had a secret milkshake - not handshake. Just wanted to make that clear. I do not use the secret milkshake any more.

 

No! No! Don't tell him! He's trying to steal the secret handshake!

 

...in which case, the joke's on you...

 

I should have seen through the plot from the beginning.

 

Oops. Double post.

 

Masons are nut jobs. 'I really want to join a secret society to read and study books'. Plus the fact, They still believe they carry the blood of jesus in them. That's a lot of inbreeding and id keep it a secret too.





On another note: Miss lippy's car.....:gossip:...... Is green! Billy also, Likes snack packs!

 

If you feel like you made a sincere oath, you have a right to keep it. Just because your wife wants to know something doesn't mean that you are compelled to satisfy her curiosity. You still have an individual identity and rights as an individual.

On the other hand, I'd be surprised if anyone really took this too seriously, even when they were in the frat. It's a bonding ritual, but it does seem kind of like a childish thing. There are no great secrets held here, I suspect. I think worse that could imaginably happen here is that your wife then goes and blabs the secret stuff to the frat. They then say "awww, dang, sumbudy blabbed the secret password and shake". Then they change the password and shake.

My advice is to turn this into a sex thing with your wife. Tell her that you will reveal the secret, but she has to give you the best sex of your life first, and whenever you whisper the secret password in her ear or give her the secret handshake, she has to give you more of the same. Might make you and your wife both happy, and make your frat brothers proud. :sunny: