So... is it true about the possible long-term side effects?

Discussion in 'LSD - Acid Trips' started by Hoppípolla, Nov 14, 2013.

  1. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    You do know it's a book based partially on real events, don't you?
    The question is, what is real and what is fiction....only Hunter S. knew for sure and I doubt he will be telling anybody now.

    and it wasn't an indictment against "drugs" or those who take them, it was about the counter culture of the sixties, of which drugs were but one facet.
    Fear and Loathing is about a hell of a lot more than getting high.
     
  2. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    anyway, LSD-25 is just about the physiologically safest psychedelic you can get, hands down.
    after that it's shrooms and cactus, then maybe some RC's.
     
  3. Redneckin'Fischer

    Redneckin'Fischer Guest

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    RC's aren't near the safest psychedelic out there.
    DMT, Hawaiian wood rose seeds (LSA), cactus (peyote/mescaline), salvia divinorum (regardless of the strong trip it is way safer physiologically).. hell, even ketamine is safer than many RC's.

    Most notably the 25x series being the most dangerous. Active at very low doses too much 25b/c/i can cause seizures, can cause serotonin syndrome, and can even lead to deaths if taking too much (for example someone selling it to you as LSD and you taking 4 tabs of 850ug 25c can lead to a serious fatality). The 2cx series is less dangerous but still, too much of it (even at lower doses) and you can end up in the hospital and have long-term damage.
    Taking this information from personal experience and people who have experienced it, RC's are bad news unless you are really informed on what you're dealing with.
     
  4. Mr.Writer

    Mr.Writer Senior Member

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    How many schizophrenic breakdowns have you seen induced by a psychedelic? 2? 3? 7?

    I've seen one. Maybe 2 or 3 depending on how exactly your are defining "schizophrenic breakdown" (was there an actual diagnosis of schizophrenia by a healthcare professional?) How many psychedelic dosings have you witnessed where there was not a schizophrenic breakdown? I've seen hundreds.

    And we know that schizophrenic breakdowns happen all the time without the presence of any drugs too.

    This is how statistics works. When you say "but I saw 3 of my friends go crazy on acid!" you have to consider how many of your friends didnt go crazy. so if it's 3 versus 450 . . . it's not a strong case for psychedelics causing mental problems.

    This study looked at over 20,000 psychedelic users and studied their rates of mental illness. This is much, much, much more rigorous than "ive seen a few breakdowns". In statistics, once your n reaches around the 2,000 mark, you actually have a large enough sample that you can comfortably generalize your findings to the population without much doubt as to the veracity of your findings. This study has over ten times this critical threshold of respondents; meaning it is extremely representative of all humans doing psychedelics. your anecdotal experience does not prove this study was rigged; rather, this study proves your anecdotal experience is not the norm, or that you are engaging in an exercise of selective memory.
     
  5. Fairlight

    Fairlight Banned

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    I have definitely had random flashback trip.It was like going to hell.I think it can happen.LSD is not very well understood from a scientific perspective,as far as I know,it's psychoactive effect on the brain is somewhat a mystery.I am not trying to project superior knowledge here,so please correct me if I'm wrong.
     
  6. Fairlight

    Fairlight Banned

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    Also though,strangely,LSD can be very good for people with mental problems,I admit that,if it's good stuff and administered correctly.It certainly helped me through some difficult things a long time ago when I took it a few times.It's known as a "hat cleaner",after all,if you get my drift.
     
  7. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    I would also like to interject that in follow up interviews with people who participated in early trials in the '50's and early 60's conducted 30-40 years later showed no deviation from the norm for any psychological/emotional issues as a result of their LSD experiences. I think the few instances of lasting psychological harm were individuals who were already greatly at risk for developing schizophrenia.
    Those who had a "bad trip" initially in the trials, often reported years later that it was one of the most beneficial and life changing events they ever experienced.
    This is data gleaned from a sampling of over 50,000 if memory serves over the course of about 40 years, so yeah, LSD-25 is pretty damn safe.:2thumbsup:

    (will try to resurrect the study/data I am referring to, I know I posted it before, but years ago.)
     
  8. indydude

    indydude Senior Member

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    I think ive had some minor flashbacks like a week or less then a month after the trip. Like laughing fits tgha came out of nowhere. Nothing long term. Probably dosed 100+ times. LSD is great for seeing and understanding concepts and events in diffent ways. You've got to be open minded and tolerant for wherever the trip takes you. Thats what i think gives people bad trips. They are afraid or unwilling to break out of their percieved reality or comfort zone box. LSD shows you different views of what you think is reality. If your the seaker type, it will be a great aid in finding your direction. Did for me.
     
  9. stoner oxy80

    stoner oxy80 *"Senior~Stoned~Member"*

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    i would,nt if there,s any mental illness history in you family. i did it to many times, and depression/sucide/anixty seems to run in my fam. i,m not right, but mabye that was all the other drugs? mushrooms don,t seem to agree with me either.
     
  10. audtin_james566

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    YES sir it is true. perma tripping is true. HPPD is an illness where peoples minds have been fucked up to the point by research chemicals not lsd that they actually see things visually move. while perma tripping is when a person has tripped so much in their lives that the perception of the mental never changes but the pysical feeling leaves as well. let me explain, theres such thing as an acid flash back when a person experiences a memory that triggers in your body to give off what feels like acid but its only the natural chemicals. its hard to explain.
     

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