Nudist dad facing child porn charges says photos are 'family portraits'

Aside from this one guy, there is a larger issue here, at what point is taking pictures of you nudist family considered porn? Where is the cut off? Can a family share them. My parents family is in Japan. We all shared pictures. Are little boys Ok and not girls. Does the camera need to be 10 feet away from genitals or 3 feet. Who decides.
We are all just too hung up on out genitals.

 

I think we're feeling like it's tjese exhibitionist people that seem hung up on genitals. If your family wants to weird out in your own weird home, that's your weird business. But advertising, "sharing" and othr such is probably going to put he majority off because in most people's world public or publicized nudity is interpreted as people interpret it. Not as the person doing it interprets it. There's your problem. Just like fanatic religious people, you are trying to impose your beliefs on others. It's not that people "aren't ready" it is that they decided this a very long time ago and seem to maintain it as a basic societal moore.
I sure don't want yours imposed on me and I don't want to show you mine. That sort of thing.

 

Your family was sharing naked pictures with each other

I have a question, why?

 

Because we are family and that is our lifestyle. It isn't sexualized as you make it out to be.

 

actually, i'm far more interested in the in genitals.

 

And every member of that family agrees with you?

And if they dont agree with you, what happens?

Let me guess, they are the perv

 

if you grow up with nudity being the norm then there wouldnt be any family members that disagree.

if you were a baby and your parents never clothed you at home, if they didnt give you swimwear at the beach, and they continued this all the time at home and every year at beach season...it would become the norm to you and you would be used to it.

clearly you had some tramatic stuff happen to you that made you ashamed of being seen and seeing a persons body but nudists dont have that same hangup. im kind of baffled that you cant see this, i can understand not agreeing with it but you need just look around the country at all the different societies. just one of many examples is self flagellation in the middle east. to them it is just the thing that is done, and they have been doing it for a long time so it has become the norm. if you need i can give a dozen other examples of crazy things people do but my point is that the way your raised dictates what you end up thinking is ok or not ok, and i would say not putting on clothes is much more natural than vine jumping, or voodoo rituals, fire walking, or dancing with the dead.

 

Thank you for this perspective.

 

I tried to rep you but my phone isn't cooperating.

You always catch the little things lol

 

This is all correct, but just because your immediate family has been raised in a nudist home, doesn't mean that all participants will continue that lifestyle outside of that home. Or that your entire family shares the same beliefs. I think that's what vanillas point was.

I have no hangups about innocent nudity. But I think this thread has drifted away from the original story which was not innocent. Some of those pics were apparently close ups of the girls vagina. Clothed or unclothed, that is inappropriate. I think some of us here have chosen to be offended because of past experiences of innocent nudity being frowned upon, without actually looking at the story at hand.

 

Actually porn and nudity go hand in hand. Maybe in nudist colonies, it's different, but the fact that he shared those pictures with other men is a HUGE red flag. I don't understand the nudist culture, but I would hope to gawd that you folks would have the common sense to know the difference between innocent nudity and a close up of genitalia.

Also, in that article, there was a Brazzers ad on the side of that story that had a man licking a woman's butthole. I felt like sharing that.

 

Bwahahaha! Good one ~

 

Nudist culture and much of European culture is different from American negative obsession with nudity.

If you don't understand us, there's ample opportunity to learn more about nudism and naturism online but sometimes nudist and naturist are terms borrowed by porn sites that attract guys with a nudity fetish, so it may be difficult to get search results that lead you to us instead of the posers.

I won't say an artist cannot take a photograph of genitals for an art gallery. The human body is beautiful in part and as a whole and not inherently indecent. But America is a weird pervy place sometimes. Odds are, most of the crotch shots are done by pornographers for pornography enthusiasts.

Some nude images of the entire body are fine art, some porn, some simply family photos. How do you tell which is which? Content and Context. Get the facts before assuming too much.

Photography of any kind has no inherent link with naturism or nudism.
Being naked has no inherent link with naturism or porn. If you have ever taken a shower in the nude that does not mean that you are a nudist or a pornographer; maybe you are just trying to get your body clean and maybe you enjoy warm water after a tough workout.

By the way, campgrounds, resorts, parks, and year-round residences for nudists and naturists are not called "colonies". We take offense at the term but realize that a lot of people use it in ignorance.

 

This goes both ways...

 

That's all fine and dandy for consenting adults. To do it to a child though? You'll never convince me that it's ok.

 

So, if there's a crotch shot, it was most likely done as porn. (Well, apparently there was one.)

And as for context, the father allegedly said in an online conversation:
Agents also found emails between Martens, Vanaman [i.e. the photographer] and a third man in which they discussed Vanaman's "craft" and "the sensuality and sexuality" of the images.

Martens wrote about "using his daughters as a passport " and said they "opened doors" for him in the naturist community...

I don't see the father as necessarily using his children to make pornography, though maybe he should have been more careful. However, if this is what he felt pressured to do as a naturist, it's a pretty sad thing to be hearing.

 

Thats a load of crap too. All of Europe more liberal than any part of America?

 

Yes, And They Have Been For Umteen Dozen Years...



Cheers Glen.

 

Well its kind of difficult to say any of that when you are talking about dozens of countries and putting them all into one.