2012

Exactly. And my only point is that yes, it DOES have roots in the distant past. The Mayans had a cosmic perception and accuracy that understood this as a very important time in history.

I totally get what you're saying but the fact is is that every era has its own revolutions and I think that the modern generation takes that for granted and continues to disregard the notion that maybe their own era is in fact one of those times. We seem to almost be scared of a revolution and only regard it as "things that happen in history". Yes, that's true. But now is also history.

It's about time we take responsibility for what's going on on the planet and soak in the fact that we can't just lazily drift along in our own amnesia forever. We WILL extinct ourselves at a certain point and if we always think that that's just going to happen in the distant future then your mind is already stuck in the concept of Time and will continue to sleepwalk our way into non-existence.

The biggest message I received while going to school from my teachers was, "we fucked it up, it's up to your generation to fix it all".

The ONLY time for a revolution is this moment because THERE IS NO OTHER MOMENT EVER. It's an eternal thing and the latest form it takes is the post-2012 era.

 

I understand that i take it all to the extreme but people don't seem to understand that I am doing it on purpose. It's the Trickster archetype and it has a function. I take all of my notions very seriously but am also open to just being an idiot and a fool. It's worth it one way or the other.

 

As far as the empty rhetoric regarding the government shutdown, I honestly have never heard of such a thing happening before. Still, I don't think that our economic situation is in any way a reversable situation. You do? And I'm sure it has something to do with the shutdown, doesn't it?

I just don't seem to understand why it seems so unreasonable and far-fetched for the idea of a new counterculture to emerge from the ashes of a society that is lost in egoic separation, which seems to be a large cause for all of our idiotic decisions and the general direction that we are heading in.

A counterculture based in the notions of an Archaic Revival would be a perfect and constructive antidote for our sleepwalking.

 

Thanks for the comments and good wishes guys. I'm not trying to hijack ChinaCat's thread... (nor a pity party) It's just ironic to me that there was such a game changer so close to the 12/21/12 date everybody had been talking about. (major game change for me)


Things are evolving for some people, seems the majority are going to be left out of the loop though, don't you think?

 

I get what you're saying. History just unfolds. There's no supernatural "trigger" for why it unfolds or how it unfolds.

I would agree that there's no "point" or "event" that needs to take place, though I am also always open to one.

But Cosmology has everything to do with it.

Similar to the first day of a new season, the weather may or may not reflect that calendrical change. Or a date given as to when your baby will be born, it may or may not happen that day, but the point is that it's a marking point. Dec. 21st didn't need for anything to happen. It was more of a historical marker, and also quite literally the end and simultaneous renewal of a cosmic calendar known as the Tzolkin.

It really just depends on whether one is or isn't willing to view the history of the world through the eyes of the Tzolkin.

It's the difference between looking at history as a linear line, slowly unfolding and moving forward one year at a time, and looking at history as a cyclical phenomena.

Dec. 21st represented the end and beginning of the largest interval of their calendar, which is one baktun, or 5,125 years. Their calendar is vast but precise, and perhaps there's historical importance to 2012 and its mark as the simultaneous end and beginning of their cycle.

2012 is only meaningless to the modern mind who follows the Gregorian calendar. From that view, it's just another year ticking off on a straight line. But not from the Tzolkin view. From that view, it's more of a renewal of a cycle. Neither view is necessarily more or less correct than the other, but the Mayans were master timekeepers. It is known that they were true astronomers and predicted eclipses well into the future very accurately, so perhaps their forgotten about calendar is something worth noting.

Perhaps it's not a coincidence that the challenges we currently face as a species just so happen to line up with their cyclical calendar, and the fact that an important interval of theirs just ended and renewed itself. Perhaps it reflects our own need for renewal and regeneration, because our delusional ways of being and obsession with materialism and egoic identity have run us ashore to the maximum.

An Archaic Revival Counterculture would be a powerful means to this renewal project, and an ode to the ancients while also an attempt to pave the way for the future.

It wouldn't have to be about "Us vs. Them" like the Hippies were about in the '60s. That's still duality and just a collective battle of egos between the Hippies and everyone over 30. It was necessary and useful for its time but is no longer necessary in the modern time.

The modern one would have to be rebellious simply by its very existence. Not necessarily rebelling anything, but a radical movement and way of being that would simply stand in stark contrast to the rest of society simply by existing. It would function as a giant mirror, and its radical-ness and irrationality would be but a reflection to the world of its own irrationality.

 

Miley Cyrus is a pretty good example of a rebellion that stands in stark contrast against the rest of society.. I can see how 10 yr old girls sucking dick and twerking like ghetto hoes can change the world. Profound.

 

Haha no, an Archaic Counterculture would be rebelling precisely against things like that and the fact that our society feeds off of that shit. Not to mention smart phones, twitter, Candy Crush, and every other lame ass thing that manifests in our society.

People wonder why so many kids (and adults) are diagnosed with depression when the answer is obvious. Our society is very disconnected from Nature and feeds on triviality. Why did the Avatar Blues (kids getting super depressed after watching the movie Avatar) become a phenomena? Because they watched that and then saw the "real world" and something intrinsically recognized that something is very not right with our world.

Society's answer to this is to prescribe kids with pills and Adderall and come up with thousands of more "mental diseases" to make more pills for so that they get hooked and give the pharmacy more money. Awesome solution.

I have already spoken with plenty of people through the cyber world and in person who don't even have any ideas about 2012 and an Archaic Revival but are intrinsically interested in things such as Shamanism, Magick, Wicca/Pagan, Alchemy, Astrology, Tarot, etc.

Though people have always been interested in these things, it is understood by plenty that a bit of a renaissance is taking place regarding these esoteric subjects. I'm not the only one who understands this.

And the people who I usually encounter that are interested in and have a good knowledge of these things aren't 50 year old women who own metaphysical book-stores, but a growing number of people my own age or younger.

Terence Mckenna was correct in his predictions of an Archaic Revival because it's already taking place. About 50 percent of young adults in the UK now currently identify themselves as Pagan, just as one example.

The reason could be that Religion doesn't answer everybody's deepest questions as it is too caught up in belief and dogma, while science on the reverse is too materialistic and not open-minded enough towards things such as Kundalini, though at the very least they have acknowledged that DMT exists in the Pineal Gland of rats.

The purpose of an Archaic Revival would be to bring a certain balance back to our world obsessed with technology and smart phones, and also serve as a potential bridge between Science and Religion.

 

Nah, the youth feeds on that shit.. the under 30's(as a general guideline). I can 100% guarantee that the majority of over 30's do NOT feed off that kinda stuff.

Everything is a counter culture in a sense, there's even some counter culture in popular culture.. fashion is the biggest example.

It all boils down to where you draw the lines.. and we draw them where we'd like them to be drawn, but in reality... there are no lines.. whether the Mayans were brilliant cosmologists or not, it really doesn't make a difference in the grand scheme of things. Shit happens, good/bad.. it's all just shit(shit as a term for nouns, not emotional judgements ).

 

I know for a fact that people over 30 feed off of America's Got Talent, Candy Crush, Twitter, and what the name of the Royal Baby is going to be.

 

And when enough people come together and collectively draw the line the way they want, that's when a Counterculture is born. That's how the Hippies were born.

I would agree there's ultimately no real lines. It's all one thing. That's where the Hippies went wrong. They got too obsessed with "don't trust anyone over 30" when they would themselves inevitably be that age.

This time around it would be wise to not take on that "Us vs. Them" mentality but rather recognize that everything is one, but you can still have distinctions just because it's all one.

 

I think you missed my point..

Re-read, and it wasn't very clear anyway.. but basically, you're defining a culture that needs to be countered.. I agree with the cause, I'm a human and I don't like shit in the world, but what difference does that make? Every one of us contributes to the shit in the world, whether we like to admit it or not. You've done exactly what you're saying isn't wise.. fallen into the trap of "Us vs Them".. Utopians(or ists? dunno..) vs. Motherfuckers... at least, it comes across that way.

 

Ok listen, even Terrence Mckenna understood the significance of the internet and technology, and if he knew about them I am just SURE he would have loved smartphones. Just think of all the raw added consciousness going on RIGHT NOW just because of these things. The lines are being blurred between people. The coming together does not need to happen in protest or in spite of these things, it will likely happen BECAUSE of them. Maybe the corporations offer a few distractions on these devices (BECAUSE PEOPLE ASK FOR THEM), but ultimately it will all come down to how well counterculture people can make the issues visible to the lowest common denominator and how well we can actually lead by example. I'd like to say to everyone: get yourself straight, make sure you aren't addicted to bad things, make sure you still understand average people, make sure you can be articulate on things relating to the big picture (politics, banks, 'thrones in rome', Earth, human psychology, and the list goes on) and how it all fits together. Stay in the moment and at the same time stay up to date with the world around you.

EDIT: The counterculture is growing, just because they aren't as flashy as hippies, I'd define counterculture people simply as against the stagnant status-quo and also people who won't go through normal archaic channels to change things.

 

This.

 

I hope that you realize that we're essentially saying the same thing in the end. No matter which calendar you view history thru, evolution IS taking place.

But for whatever reason our main difference of opinion is that where we currently are at in evolution we view through different eyes. I see "modern civilization" on the cusp of a post-materialistic dependency and return to a more spiritual, archaic, yet modern way of being, out of evolutionary necessity. And 2012 simply is the marker of the end of one and the beginning of another.

I then see the events that happen in the world and take my own experiences and gather the evidence to support these claims and post them.

Perhaps you could see it heading that way or not heading that way because it's essentially unknown and so the 2012 date is essentially meaningless. Evolution is just taking place with or without the significance behind 2012 as some gateway to a new era.

And when i gather the "evidence" to support these claims it's more of the vibe that I could gather ANYTHING that's currently happening and be saying "SEE? SEE?" and it's more of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I feel that both perspectives have their own legitimacy.

It comes down to the question of subjective vs. objective reality, and where do you draw the line between the two?

Some people see all of my "evidence" as more evidence that i'm a lunatic with a self-fulfilling prophecy.

For me it's more like i'm gathering kindle for a fire. And the Hermetic saying "as above, so below" resonates well. Evolution is taking place and I'm playing my part of creating the very change I wish to see.

But it's worth it for me to be correct or wildly incorrect because if I'm correct then it's all been a job well done despite the naysayers. If i'm wildly incorrect then it's more like well atleast I can see where my own subjective delusions are (or maybe I never will), which would give a sense of freedom.

But with all that being said, it must be remembered that I'm not the only one who feels this way about all of these things. But then again numbers don't equal truth either.

 

That's a good point regarding technology. Technology isn't really the problem. Or even our dependence on it. It's how we use it that matters.

 

Russell Brand is another who gets it. All it is is the latest stage of evolution. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJVbccKJwEw&sns=fb"]Russell Brand: Humanity Coming Out of The Cave - YouTube

 

it's all in my head...http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...deo-russell-brand-and-his-call-for-revolution

the 9:51 mark says it all

 

I told you guys^ I am correct. It's all perfect timing. Just going in to 2014, just like I said. We needed someone like this to vocalize it on national television.

 

I just don't know how the hell they allowed that :sunny:

I actually saw the revolutionary russle brand video on FACEBOOK first of all places. So that is DEFINITELY a good sign. This guy has been saying what I have for a long time and what leftys have been saying for centuries under oppressive rule.

 

Russell Brand is an important and current face of the emerging planetary Revolution. We are heading into 2014 when this will really go balls to the wall. The rubber hits the road 2014. Just wait.

I TOLD YOU GUYS. All naysayers are simply incorrect. There is no other option than for a revolution to ensue. It's just where we are at historically.

http://www.collective-evolution.com...verlords-spiritual-revolution-the-illuminati/#_