The Free Market Existed...

I think you are reaching..

 

I am not looking for examples of it being done now because, as it stands, such companies are in the extreme minority. I am asking how you would change that. I am asking how you would ensure more companies are employee owned. Do you advocate employees start their own company? Do you think government should force companies to sell a certain amount of stock to an employee trust or other type of employee organization? How would you handle private companies?

 

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So you agree it can be a good thing in principle you are just wondering how best to do it?

 

I think he's curious on what it means.

I know I don't believe in government force, so the whole idea seems like theft anyway you look at it.

 

I don't think the government should force it at all. It would have to be a choice. I think it would work best with smaller companies that are only just going public, rather than huge corporations that have been publicly traded for years.

Companies could even go as far as to give their employees stock when they are hired. 401k package, health plan, stock. welcome to the company.

 

It happens now. Most of those big box retailers are paying super low wages to underage workers in 3rd world countries. making it for super cheap and selling it for high profits. That is how the world works now. The big companies almost own everything. One big conglomeration with the government. Things wont change. the world is doomed for sure. Jehovah will bring in the new reign and things will change after armegeddon.

 

How are we defining what a 'free market' is?

 

FOXY,..........I'm a lot more worried bout who will keep big powerful government and all of their promises honest.

I do not fear mere corporations, they default and go out of business on a regular basis. They get brought to court by Attorney General all the time.

Who can sue Government for dishonesty?

:sunny:

 

Again, you're blaming companies for something that is the fault of government and the people. We want cheap prices and good products. Yet, for every new employee in the USA, there's insane taxes. That's why businesses are going over-seas. Liberal regulations and taxes are forcing them to build elsewhere, where taxes are cheaper.

 

I have to disagree. Rather, we are returning to the era of unregulated capitalism. We moved from mid sized and small businesses competing on Main Street (pre-1970) to gigantic machines like WalMart and P&G and insurance cabals who collude to set prices and completely control their "markets". There IS no free market for many products and services and hasn't been for a while. That's because legislators of BOTH parties are owned lock stock and barrel by the mega-corporations. You are dreaming if you think you have representation there. The protections against monopoly and collusion get weaker every day. The real story will be told when the Baby Boomers begin to spend out their IRAs and 401Ks. Then the gloves will come off and we will see the fleecing and final destruction of the American middle class. This is not some "liberal" fantasy, this is the reality of the situation. I am always amused when I read comments from the right wing pawns that believe every dollar of profit is a good dollar; that cannot distinguish between a free market and a controlled market.

 

You are right about one thing. People here were stupid enough to allow WalMart (and their ilk) to gain a foothold, simply because we saved a few bucks along the way. Of course the good people in America expected corporations to behave responsibly, never dreaming that their long term agenda was to drain American middle class wealth dry, and then leave us for greener pastures. But they have been very successful at eroding the regulations that prevented monopoly and collusion, and people are so dumb they don't see it - or don't understand the significance. We've even acknowledged in the Supreme Court that a corporation has the same rights as a person! And the pawns just keep bleating that's it's alllll good.

 

you know, I actually do blame corporations in this. I don't really think profit as the bottom line is a long term sustainable business model. In order for a first world country to have a long term, stable economy corporations are going to have to take some social responsibility. Pay taxes, care about the health and welfare of their employees, etc. If a corporation moves their business overseas to avoid paying taxes that will benefit their community directly, it comes down to a bottom line of greed and profit.

Also, a lot of European countries move their business over here for the same reason. My town happens to have the highest concentration of international business out of anywhere in the country. This region of the country offer lower taxes than other parts of the country, so it really works both ways. We lose some business due to taxes but we also gain some business because european countries are more than willing to pay our tax rate. That tax money, I might add, goes straight back into my community. My town's economy is flourishing as a result.

 

Dang, for a young one, you sure seem like you have a clue. Rock on baby.

 

The Walton family are Americans that started their stores in 1962...

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...s-says-walmart-heirs-own-more-wealth-bottom-/

 

That's what businesses do. If they don't make profit, they can't run. Furthermore, Coke a cola uses cheap labor, as does many companies. If you don't like it, boycott them. But it is our governments fault for driving up prices, and making it harder for regular citizens to start a business.

There is more greed and corruption in government, because the corporations control them; and, they can actually use force. (unlike businesses without government benefits.)

Europe has crazy taxes. But it's not working both ways. Why do you think the unemployment is so high? High taxes and absurd regulations made to help certain corporations and hurt others. Obama takes corporate bribes!

 

And 8 out of 10 of their items come from China...

 

The taxes aren't even that bad, it's a GOP and liberatarian delusional view of the world that these corporations are unable to function here in the US.

They're going oversees for one reason GREED. They are not suffering or finding a hard time functioning, it's that their CEO's don't want salaries in the hundreds of thousands, they want salaries in the millions or billions.

For a single person to be making even $500,000 a year for a salary, that's GREED.

And many CEO's now would consider making $500,000 a year to be a modest salary.

No one should be a millionaire living in a mansion and owning a yacht when there are others making $10,000 a year or less, or perhaps nothing at all.

I don't think I'm an extremist to think that. I believe that I am seeing the world through a healthy but critical view of society.

Those 1%ers who own exceedingly more than is their fair share, I think they should be taxed even more than they are now.

 

Tax cuts to the rich is nothing but appeasement to the tyrants. Government is not the tyrant, government is not in control of the media to feed the belief in many that any of them among the masses can become a millionaire, and that to embrace greed and support the greedy is the best route to getting there. It is private companies owned by individuals who are reinforcing these beliefs.

 

exactly. Corporations aren't moving their companies overseas because they can't afford to pay the taxes here, they do it because they don't want to pay taxes.

 

You ARE an extremist. We are already overtaxed. 1/5th of my paycheck (a working-class student) That mean 1/5th of my WORK ETHIC is for government. That's total Bull shit! That means I work over a day every week just for government. That's slavery. Plus, government gives special benefits to the very rich. I bet they don't pay taxes at all. Liberals try to use the government to hurt companies, when most likely it'll just hurt US, and the banksters will keep controlling us.

Taxing more WONT fix this problem, and liberals are stupid to believe that.
You're only feeding into the governments will. Of course they'd love to take more of our money and WASTE it. That's all they do!!!