666 - The Mark of the Beast - Forewarned is Forearmed

I assume you have heard of Aliester Crowley, the english occultist who styled himself the Beast 666........

 

It doesn't seem Aliester was that wicked. Maybe he made the top 50 or 100 of all time. It's like saying Jennifer Aniston is the most beautiful woman in the world. Speculative. It appears he was a bit presumptuous in claiming that monicker, for such an insignificant dude, but he be dead. I think besides his popular unbelief, Crowley was more of a rebel hedonist than rating with Nostradamus's Three Great AntiChrists. The actual Beast is the Anti-Christ of which Hitler was one according to Nostradamus. I'm not into Napoleon which he thought was. Again, too much credit there. How about Ghengis Khan? Alexander the Great?

There are more than one Beast in Revelations, so ya hafta qualify those to set the record straight. One is the Beast characterizing the World City System that the Great Whore rides around on in Ch.17-19 that gets nuked in the end. The other two Beasts are the Anti-Christ & the False Prophet.

Rev. 13
And I stood upon the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. [The 7 heads are the 7 World Governments that ever were: Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome & the Final Anti-Christ World Government. The 10 crowns are 10 Nations of the end that join The AntiChrist. This all corresponds to the vision of Daniel in his Book speaking of the various world gov's. At the end, this same verse starts speaking of 'the Beast' as the AntiChrist. So, he embodies the sum total of all the World Governments of Man; sort of, "Satan, KIng of Empires" —in other words since he doesn't die when these Kings die or Empires go kaflooey, he just possesses the next dude.

Revelation 17:8

The beast that thou sawest was, and is not, and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit and go into perdition; and they that dwell on the earth, whose names were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, shall wonder when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

[So this is the last & ultimate Anti-Christ who makes people take the 666 or they can't buy or sell anything & they are hunted down & killed. 'Mark is an interesting term for a financial system, alluding to the currency, the Deutsche Mark. If that isn't a coincidence, most scholars have thought (since the Book of Daniel which was sealed got opened up in the 20th Century, —that the Ten Crowns were European Nations. I heard that years before the actual formation of the European Union.

Ok, there's the Beast (World City System of all time); The Beast :The Antichrist & he has a second called the 'False Prophet' 'with horns like a lamb but he spake as a dragon' who has power to do miracles in the sight of the first Beast whose deadly wound was healed. This is why people were freaking out over Gorbachev's massive birth mark, but it had nothing to do with anything, just people's paranoia.

Anyway, watch your beasts, cause there are a lot of them running around in the books of Daniel & Revelations (which incidentally coincide with each other's prophecies although they were written thousands of years apart.)

The Book of Daniel has some interesting specific descriptions of the habits of the Anti-Christ. "He shall not regard the desire of women" - "He is a man of a fierce countenance", etc. Go figure what the desire of women is... to me it's shopping, not sex as some have claimed. Also people have said the AC is gay, in that interpretation of not regarding the desire of women.

I don't know, it's not that clear unless he appears & then you can test the template. But I've heard all sorts of wild accusations that Yasser Arafat (he be dead too) is (was) the AC (AntiChrist) as well as Roosevelt (he be dead too) because he put the country on Daylight savings time. "He shall think to change times & laws & they shall be given into his hand for a time, times & half a time". I think that had to do with WWII & Daylight savings time has been blamed on everybody including good ole Ben Franklin who only joked about it in his newspaper. PS: Gaddafi was thought to have been The False Prophet by some Cults but he dead now too...

Enough speculation. It's gonna happen eventually & there won't need to be much speculating when it does regarding who is doing what, cause it's not going to be a secret conspiracy, it's going to be publicly known who these guys are because they'll want the credit. So just watch for the signs.

 

Myself I dont really believe in "the beast". Other than perhaps as an allegory for the animal side in humanity, something the Christians have never had a very comfortable relationship with.

As far as I can see Crowley adopted the title because he had an unhappy childhood experience with Christianity. His family were plymouth brethren who were also brewing millionaires. I think the irony of that was not lost on Crowley, who was sent to a very strict brethren boarding school, which in c.19, was probably horrendous.
That, combined with intellectual prodigy, interest in magic, sexual ambiguity etc drove him to adopt a "demonic" stance, calculated to shock his victorian contemporaries.

More "beastly" than the ones you mention, in terms of numbers killed, were Stalin and earlier, Tamerlane. But I doubt John of patmos had them in mind.

 

I also feel for Crowley, that his later life was lived in rebellion, since i myself was sent to a strict boarding school. And no I don't view him as an epitome of evil. He might have been a nicer guy had all this been explained to him. I had many friends at school where they sent kids to go straight who wound up bitter instead of better. I think he was more into the 'shock value' that the '666' had on straight moral people than any reality. He does have some really weird eyes, so, no I probably would not have enjoyed his company.

 

Yes, what can we say save that the 'beast' is indeed allegorical. But truly, I alway do love animals. I think it alludes to the baser portions of our selves, as in when we become angry & grow out of control. Less capacity for our intellect.

 

Or maybe when we just have to have a taste of that kit kat bar?

 

—Yeah, where would advertising, capitalism & the world economy be if it weren't for peoples' knee-jerk reactions to irrational cravings? And how many of us would have never been born? I always wanted to try those crunchy deep-fried grasshoppers on the street in Bangkok; but I was afraid of the DDT. I guess that's where alcohol enters the picture. How else would some of these ugly women get pregnant by fat guys? Free Will is kind of fun. Except the having to pay the fiddler part.

 

That is the real beast, the nitty gritty of corpuscular collisions. Life is a metabolic fire consuming everything unless we are alloyed.

 

Yes, the church-going crowd probably are not comfortable with the 'animal-side' of humanity. But in a way, animals are without sin, which the first humans in earthly paradise were also for a time. Even though animals rely on instinct & are often aggressive, eating or being eaten, that's pretty much survival in their world.

If we're referring to sex, well, the church has colored that 'bad' when it was the first commandment according to their own book: Be fruitful & multiply; meaning to go fuck yourselves silly & enjoy how it feels because you are gonna have to raise these little rascals.

I departed from the church about sex & many other things long ago, but still have faith in God & salvation. There is absolutely no commandment in the Bible to go to church. And the people who go are pretty sticky-icky self-righteous types that I wouldn't be able to sit down & have a few too many drinks with. Most real truths in the Word have been covered up, skewed, & polluted over the centuries, which is why I subscribe to Jesus Christ Church of L.S.D. http://jesuschristlsd.com

It's more like Acid is the White Man's Mescalito cause we can't join the Native American Church. But I think it's too strong to be doing it every ceremony; but there is pot for that, salvia, etc. If it was acceptable to the Native Americans to share their Peyote with the rest of us, there would have to be a whole lot more of it to go around.

 

OK. I mean in part sex. Theres no doubt that historically Christianity has branded sex as bad, and tried to supress it. Along with that goes the subjection of women, persecution of gays etc. A male dominance heirarchy running the show.
Of course, sex has to be under control. Some stable society is needed to bring up children. But other cultures have that without the whole notion that the body is basically "sinful".

But also I think the Christian anti world view goes further than that. The idea that when Adam sinned, not only humankind but all of the creation fell is a fatal one in my opinion. Because we cant hope to be happy here, but only after death in heaven, what does it matter really if we fuck up the world, wipe out the wildlife and so on...To me that seems to be a feature of a certain type of christian view.

Rather than man having "dominion" over the animals, I like the Native American view that the animals are our relatives and maybe helpers.

Anyway, you can grow cacti that contain peyote relatively easily. And although I dont know about the US situation, here its legal unless and until you extract the peyote.

 

As for Crowley, I think he was a genius, but a flawed genius. As we said, his "beastly" posturing was a reaction to his disaffection with hypocritical victorian values and an unhappy childhood.
His main contribution is that he was among the first to explore eastern traditions such as yoga, Buddhism, Taoism etc and relate them to western esoteric knowledge such as the Hebrew Kabbala, Hermeticism and Magic.

His famous Law of Thelema "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" is really just like the sixties hippies saying do your own thing. Be yourself. Trust in yourself, explore who you really are behind the layers of cultural conditioning. Above all take responsibility for yourself, in the sense of becoming self regulating and not reliant on external dogmas, moralities and so on.

Also, Crowley actually tried mescaline back in the thirties I believe, so in that too he was ahead of the pack.
However, just to stress, I am not a follower of Crowley. Hes just one of many people I have found interesting.

 

A little jingle.

Aliester Crowley
They treated him most foully.
If only he d been Crowley
They would have called him holy.

BTW the second pronunciation is the correct one.

:2thumbsup::devil::sunny:

 

OK, I'm quoting BlackBillBlake's queries from #50 (Underlined) followed by my answers (Italicized) that immediately occur to me, like the way it should be, or which people should be living by now, since plenty of Bible stuff was in the context of those days & reflected how they behaved back then. (So I couldn't do this in a normal quote style) —anyway...


OK. I mean in part sex. Theres no doubt that historically Christianity has branded sex as bad, and tried to supress it.

• Right. That is completely hypocritical on their part since who made sex? God. God is good. Everything He made He said was 'good'. He even made it feel good & intended those feelings to be experienced & enjoyed.

Along with that goes the subjection of women: • That's old school, a hangover from the Old Testament & law which believers are not longer under. Oriental thought was/is that the 'male' is first & foremost; in-charge. Modern western thinking is the 'church' (I don't mean the Catholics —(The descendants of Peter? C'mon! What a claim to fame!) —as they don't speak for everyone nor are they 'modern' but the Protestants for example or any group of Believers) is supposed to have many women leaders as 'there is no male nor female in Christ Jesus' is a Scripture. (See answer below)* Women can be the boss in the home & business too. Some are & some aren't. It depends on the particular relationship & people involved.

Persecution of gays etc: Wrong for them to persecute anybody. Obviously the 'God hates Gays' church is really out-of-it. If you read the beginning of Revelations He rebukes several churches that were out-of-it & only a couple were OK. Anyone can sign God's Name to settle any score, so we have to know His personality better & blow that off. It's somebody's pet piece. and they fail to place a difference between a person & a behavior. And if 'God is Love', He doesn't hate people. 'Judge not, lest ye also be judged, for with what judgement you judge shall be meted unto you again.' We're supposed to be loving & tolerant. I guess the issue is when certain freedoms are exhibited in front of the weaker (ie. kids or my mother lol) And maybe that's where the Russians are drawing a line. (At least I think I see their point, but it's a hot topic for most right now so I can't say for sure) People find certain things impossible to have to explain that to kids & really old people. In Romans 13 & 14 Paul basically says you can have any kind of freedom you wish as long as you don't cause someone weaker to stumble; sex, pot, drinking, nudity whatever, you can apply those 2 chapters to all freedoms... which is Paul showing his true thoughts or a total flip-flop since many of the prevailing anti-sex attitudes came from Paul's leadership. But these were usually just letters to individual congregations in particular locations with an unusual problem that got elevation to 'any' & 'all by later Christians.

A male dominance heirarchy running the show: I don't think * the organized so-called church is a good example of the body of Christ, period, nor are they running the show. They certainly put on a good one, don't they? They represent something in their own minds & the public buys it giving them credit for being religious & having a corner on 'God'. But it's an individual relationship between each person & Jesus. The Bride of Christ is all believers. Property & pomp & clothing does not matter. Many members in organized christian churches & religions are not believers anyway, including many priests & preachers, they just show up on Sunday or garner some respect for themselves through hierarchy. Like the Pope. He's not 'my' spiritual leader. He's just some guy on stage.

Of course, sex has to be under control. Some stable society is needed to bring up children. But other cultures have that without the whole notion that the body is basically "sinful": Both Right. You have to have some age of consent. Also, ie.: the Latins are great examples of being sexual & spirituality right next to it. But some cultures (ulp!) fail miserably. (Plus white people are worse dancers lol...)

But also I think the Christian anti world view goes further than that. The idea that when Adam sinned, not only humankind but all of the creation fell is a fatal one in my opinion: There was war in heaven evidently around the period of the creation of Earth, —in my mind it was possibly a rebellion against God creating a World with godlike creature having total free-will. So Lucifer who ranked an Angelic General led a rebellion & 1/3 of the angels followed him (=fell) & 2/3 remained on God's side & those 1/3rd were cast out of Heaven to the Earth. Time is almost lost here as this seems to have happened before the World began & also during the Great Tribulation, like there's no time in the spirit world, only events. That coincides with the temptation & fall of mankind since the tempter was also Lucifer trying to make God's plan fail by posing as a serpent in the one tree people weren't suppose to eat, which although seemingly petty was actually the ultimate test to see if men could keep their boundaries & just waltz into eternity (eat of the tree of life) but if those two blew it we would all blow it. And we have ever since.


Because we cant hope to be happy here, but only after death in heaven, what does it matter really if we fuck up the world, wipe out the wildlife and so on...To me that seems to be a feature of a certain type of christian view: We are supposed to be somewhat happy here & try to make it a better World & not fuck it up. It's a lot of both, agony & ecstasy. Evidently we are supposed to learn why there is good & evil eventually by this current experience & get answers as we go along & more later for most of us. True, I've heard that denial about pollution right out of people on the street in interviews. This guy in Utah said it was God's concern that you couldn't see Salt Lake from a popular view. BLAAAP! Wrong answer!!! I strongly disagree, as we are supposed to leave it a better World & it shows flagrant disrespect for the creation to pollute & therefore disrespect to the Creator for the amazing World He put us in.

Rather than man having "dominion" over the animals, I like the Native American view that the animals are our relatives and maybe helpers: Well, the word, 'dominion' has several shades of meaning which can sound negatively super-aggressive like in conflict but can just mean government, authority, influence, control or caring for a large territory. I think at the beginning when people were kicked out of Earthly Paradise they were surrounded by wild beasts sort of like 'Survivor' & they had to subdue a lot of them or be killed. Then by the time of the Great Flood, God told Noah to make sure he had two or more of every type of animal inside the ark. Now we've come to the point where human growth threatens much of nature & must be proactive & preserve species & enforce laws about unlimited expansion & poaching, like of elephants & whales & sharks. It is still a responsibility to stop careless behavior by overaggressive man & bring understanding to the problem so that humanity does not kill off species. I think 'dominion' is 'keeping the 'balance' like when large alligators get into an urban lake & fish & game come & take it back out to the swamp or they hunt pythons in the everglades in order to keep them from taking over since they will eat every other animal. It's definitely not in the context of killing everything off. I think we learned a lesson from the near extinction of the buffalo & now seeing them come back. Or sadly the total extinction of the Dodo. I see sustaining the balance of nature as the modern day equivalent where we strive to co-exist with species creating nature reserves & protecting the Amazon & other wild parts of the Earth like Everest.

Anyway, you can grow cacti that contain peyote relatively easily. And although I dont know about the US situation, here its legal unless and until you extract the peyote: Yes, San Pedro & Peruvian Torch; just was saying Peyote itself is scarce. And also, acid is like most synthetics I've tried & way stronger than the natural equivalents. although I've never tried X. But pharmaceuticals are like that. I smoked opium my roommate brought home on a dried poppy stem from a market in Iran. Very mild & relaxing. But I won't do heroin because it's way more potent & scary. I did peyote, very mild. But acid can be somewhat psychotic. Morning glory seeds are a nice mild high. Nutmeg by the way is one fantastic trip with the worst hangover you will ever had, so some of these things even in nature can have a downside. I mean, look at alcohol.

 

Wow. I just cant go through all those points. I agree with some of what you say, other things Im going to have to agree to differ over. The main one being "war in heaven", something we really cant ever verify for ourselves. It is mythology, and as far as I can see theres no good reason to accept Hebrew myth over others.

Its not my intention to encourage drug taking in general. The psychedelics are a special case, as we know that they have been used from time immemorial by humans to acess states of altered reality.
What I would say based on experience, is that the best visionary substances are the indole ring hallucinogens. LSD, mushrooms etc. DMT is also very interesting, in fact by far the strongest substance certainly that I ever tried.

Mescaline is in a different group of substances, a phenothylamine I believe, something I havent tried myself, although certainly one hears good things said about it, and its an exception to the rule I think.
Theres also iboga, which again I know little about but have read accounts which seem interesting.

Be very careful with nutmeg. It can evidently cause liver damage if you do a lot of it. I tried it once many years ago and found it a bit like eating cannabis.

You are right to stay well away from heroin. I dont want to sound like a robot, but I have seen peoples lives wrecked by it, and it wasnt at all pretty to watch. Ditto charlie and speed.

In effect, most druga are not that great. Its only a few things that really have any legitimate use. Most of them were used in traditional cultures in one form or another. Acid is the exception.

By X do you mean MDMA, ecstacy.....

 

Yes, the psychedelics are something people have used to hook up to discover other dimensions, as you said, for eons. In a way, it was the way I came to the way I think now, but I don't use them much any more. I found acid to be incredible when I first did it, but after the first few experiences I stopped & when I tried it a few years later, it was too intense; but maybe it was the acid. It's weird when you are trusting someone else's chemistry & it may just bum you out. On the other hand if I'm trusting God's chemistry lab in nature, then if I am careful, it's pretty much self-determined. And it's usually mild. I've even got the wrong mushroom & it says I'd die, but I didn't even get sick. Again, I find that I'm not really addicted to anything. I left my pot in another state where it was legal to visit 6 months ago & haven't hardly touched it since. Well, the stuff here I tried is crap & not worth it. I've taken a liking to Salvia since then. I find that small doses like a couple of fresh leaves have a good effect. I have incredible dreams. I've never had that 'lose control' intense trip thing from smoking it probably because I didn't smoke that much. In fact I don't need to trip much any more or hardly ever. I think that stuff stays up there, those new connections & I've often experienced tripping again when I got high on weed & drank a little. I noticed the more spiritual I was day to day, the less tolerance I had or the less I needed. But yes, there comes a crisis where you have to get out of body. It's definitely a religious experience that makes church seem drier than cracker dust ten miles from a glass of water. "One time I saw my daddy dancin'; watched him movin' like a man in a trance; he brought it back from the war in france, down onto Copperline. Branch water & tomato wine, creosote & turpentine, sour mash & new moonshine, down on Copperline" —James Taylor - Copperline

I guess with the 'war in heaven' that's what we read in Revelations Ch.12 & even though it sounds like mythology, it's a fairly good explanation of why the universe is so screwed up right now. Mystics have said that when Satan rebelled against the Lord, he created chaos & out of it God created temporary order; but we are caught in the lurch here down in time & the war is yet to play out, when, a final restitution of all things will occur when all is restored to perfection in the physical universe.

I guess some stuff I do not understand or it just says so & so people have to struggle with it; I just put it up on the shelf in a bundle of faith & figure some day it will be revealed to me or make sense or better yet for us humans it will happen. I suppose I just read the Word a lot so I have a lot of faith for some things people struggle with. I just don't. I do have problems with other so-called normal things but most of them are why are people so fucked up, mentally ill & stuff, mean to each other, etc., so maybe that's easier for some people. I get the spiritual stuff that sounds like mythology down easily.

Maybe a lot of so called myth is actually true stuff, too, like there were battles between spirits & demons & deities. I mean, it talks about giants being born in Genesis & how they came about but Moses didn't deal with it in depth. It's funny how they sometimes are brief about the really interesting stuff, but other details drag on. I suppose that's all that's left of what was salvaged of writing from then. Or the rest might have been left to imagination.

It think whatever man thinks of or imagines or dreams about must be possible somehow in the vast realm of God's possibilities. I think He inspires us to dream & trip on that stuff because it actually is. Otherwise how would we think of it. So when it comes to far out stuff I go, oh yea, why not.

:2thumbsup:

 

By definition of intent there is much resistance to this as it threatens the status quo and undoes the attraction of guilt. Anyone who puts their heart to this endeavor is immediately attacked by the white, (or righteous,) corpuscle and they become heretic, hedonistic beast, or traitor. Whereas we cannot expect to find allies, reality supports it's constituents and there are many friends along the way.

 

No question as to why you chose that screen name. But unless you actually have some formula you've tried that works, which obviously resulted in a false positive since you are still grasping at string theories in the abstract psychedelic universe; why post in the slot of an otherwise intelligent comment on such a focused subject?

The biggest mouths usually have nothing to say.

 

There is no audio in attendance with this text so I don't know what you find loud about this statement. What I did say is a revelation that has demonstrable meaning in real time. Take for example your response to my post, because you didn't understand it or know where it was coming from, must be crap, i must be crap, a failure of some sort overstepping my bounds. You can make of symbols any comparisons you like. The universe is very physical, it is the mind that is naturally abstract. What is the focused subject that you think I am not commenting on? The theory that works is that the thought comes first, everything having it's root in conception.
One of your fundamental premises is that the universe is fucked up and this premise has no constituents in reality. What is real cannot be made unreal and what is unreal does not exist. Disillusionment is always the result of a case of mistaken identity. The war you see is an abstraction and the product of a split mind, not a death struggle of competing forces.Creation is a law without opposite.

 

—Anyway, just to keep the focus, I like to sight commonly accessible, albeit mundane references about the topic during these lulls between idiots & morons, peppered with the occasional person who shows interest. It serves a single purpose, that: We we were here talking about this before you arrived so leave us the fuck alone or dare to exhibit some knowledge or interest in the subject at hand & a chance to be unenhanced by excruciating verbiage. Or go take a breathalyzer in some other department. If you give me shit on my thread you generally get blocked in which case I don't read your drivel anyway. So go have a meaningful experience some other fucking place else in your wanton psychosis, while we keep the channel open since we have a right to be interested in something aside from ourselves. And it's obviously not a date night for you.


Number of the beast‬
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The number of the beast (Greek: Ἀριθμὸς τοῦ θηρίου, Arithmos tou Thēriou) is the numerological identifier ascribed to the beast from the sea,[1] the first of two symbolic beasts described in the Book of Revelation's thirteenth chapter.[2] In most New Testament manuscripts, the number is rendered as 666, but the variant 616 is found in critical editions of the Greek text, such as the Novum Testamentum Graece.[3]
In the 19th century James Austin Bastow identified the number as having symbolic correlation to the Emperor Nero, whose Greek name transliterated into Hebrew has the numeric value of 666, whereas his Latin name written into Hebrew is 616.[4] In Revelation's narrative, the "mark of the beast" is used to identify the beast's acolytes. The number is one of three choices in Revelation 13:17— "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." The "number of his name" is mentioned also in Revelation 15:2 distinctly from his mark. It is widely thought among dispensationalists that the mark will take the form of a number or symbol that will be revealed only during the End Times.


The number of the beast is 666 by William Blake

Summary
Revelation 13 describes John's vision of two beasts. The first beast emerges from the sea having seven heads inscribed with blasphemous names, reflecting the titles given to Roman emperors ("Lord and Saviour", "Saviour of the World"), considered to be blasphemies in the eyes of Christians.[5] This is followed by a second beast, who emerges from the earth and "speaks like a dragon". He derives his authority from the first beast and probably represents the emperor himself.[6] It is the duty of the second beast to ensure that everyone is required to bear the mark of the first beast on their right hand or forehead, "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name." [Revelation*13:17] The vision of the first beast concludes with a riddle[7], where John reveals the number of the beast and its significance: "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred threescore and six." [Revelation*13:18]
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The number of the beast is described in Revelation 13:15–18 and is the number of a man, and the actual number is only mentioned once, in verse 18. In the Greek manuscripts, the number is rendered in Greek numerical form as χ ξ ϛ,[8] or sometimes literally as ἑξακόσιοι ἑξήκοντα ἕξ, hexakósioi hexēkonta héx, "six hundred and sixty-six".[9][10] There are several interpretation-translations for the meaning of the phrase "Here is Wisdom, Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast" where the peculiar Greek word ψηφισάτω (psefisato) is used. Possible translations include not only "to count" and "to reckon", but also "to vote" or "to decide".[11]

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I guess I take the Hebrew version since they can be traced back to the recorded beginning of time on Earth or at least Moses wrote it down at some point at which it could still be recalled. That was the chosen lineage & sustained the ancient stories because their culture didn't change very much; they kept records & there was severe punishment for lying as you can validate through the Mosaic Laws which have also survived to this day & exist throughout modern day civilization.

Satan Thrown Out of Heaven (New KJV)

12:7*And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8*but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them[a] in heaven any longer. 9*So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Still, that's the best & simplest explanation I've heard yet for the Universal turmoil of the present, seeing that many things operate with such precise clockwork, such as astral bodies & nature; while human beings are often out-of-control. To me it just alludes to something that must have taken place before, perhaps eons before I got to this planet that I can only search for some account amongst the wisdom of the ancients. Noah, Job, Adam, & the forefathers lived 1000 years & would have known one another; & they passed these verbal accounts throughout families, such as the account of the Great Flood, etc., and although brief, even the war in Heaven is mentioned as well as the Angles coming down to Earth & fucking Earth girls (evidently Earth girls are easy lol) and conceiving giants, 'men of renown', which is much more semanticised upon in Greek literature, —some of these guys who were only half born of a mortal mother & therefore had supernatural strength & powers. Think about it. Many or most of those accounts could be true as well although perhaps somewhat embellished upon through retelling. :gossip: