Does Mastectomy Render Angelina Jolie Impervious to Other Deaths?

On the subject of the recent stomping of the divots: The thing I want to know about Angelina Jolie's pre-emptive strike is... can she still be killed by another random form of death or is she now invincible? ie.: Can she be hit by lightning? Can she cross the street without looking both ways; and can she run with scissors? We're talking about spending a short ride on a Planet here Angie; you can't outrun all of the odds...(I know, I wish I had a face like yours, —I'd fuck myself silly) —but was that vanity, fear or caution? And now don't the odds increase that the Boogeyman will get her some other way? I'm not wishing it on her, she's a goddamn poster goddess, but you can only play the Rappaccini's Daughter routine so far & then someone gets it in the end. Morbid but True.

Plot summary: Rappaccini's Daughter

"The story is set in Padua, Italy, in a distant but unspecified past. From his quarters, Giovanni Guasconti, a young student of letters, looks at Beatrice, the beautiful daughter of Dr. Giacomo Rappaccini, a scientist working in isolation. Beatrice is confined to the lush and locked gardens filled with poisonous plants by her father. Giovanni notices Beatrice's strangely intimate relationship with the plants as well as the withering of fresh flowers and the death of an insect when exposed to her skin or breath. Having fallen in love, Giovanni enters the garden and meets with Beatrice a number of times regardless of the warning of his mentor, Professor Pietro Baglioni, that Rappaccini is up to no good and he and his work should be avoided. Giovanni discovers that Beatrice, having been raised in the presence of poison, is poisonous herself. Beatrice urges Giovanni to look past her poisonous exterior and see her pure and innocent essence, creating great feelings of doubt in Giovanni. He begins to suffer the consequences of his encounters with the plants - and with Beatrice when he discovers that he himself has become poisonous; and after another meeting with Baglioni, Giovanni brings a powerful antidote to Beatrice so that they can be together, but the antidote kills Beatrice rather than getting rid of her poisonous nature." [Wikipedia] :computer:

 

This post doesn't even make sense and I have no idea why the lives of celebrities even matter to you. It technically shouldn't matter to anybody.

 

None of this makes any sense. Why would removing her breasts make her invincible? Having the mastectomy was her choice. I can't say I wouldn't do the same thing, if I was in the same situation.

 

wouldnt it be funny if she was killed by a milk truck..

 

Look —most of the comments people make on here are stupid swipes at the posters or they make no sense either; so when somebody actually tries to use a make a humorous intelligent point or use a metaphor they get thumbed-down by people who couldn't put a non-abstract thought down on paper if their lives depended on it. "Those that can, do. Those that can't, criticize." —E.A.

—Ha! Milk Truck... Exactly, you hit the nail on the head...and that's the way I told it to friends: "Now that she can't get breast cancer does it mean she won't get run over by a truck or something else? —See? Great minds think alike lol. All my friends guffawed since they have a dry sense of humor, (some on here are similarly gifted, albeit few). It's not that they give a shit in the way you are thinking people watch Soaps & read those stupid Star Magazines in the grocery lines. But, hey those are fake articles about real people, with real lives. You just have to see through the hype. They're as worthy as we are to keep sucking air.

Angie does a lot of volunteer work abroad so she's not totally worthless like most of Hollywood. I just found her self-imposed maiming to be a fearful product of anxiety that is probably not the way she is going to die or even necessarily would have. There's randomness! I don't care how much money you have, you can't cheat frickin death. What, should all women follow suit? It's like the prostate cancer scare for men. Probably won't kill ya in time for you to die, lol.

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This post makes sense at many levels: No, it technically doesn't matter to me either; and it technically DOES to a point. Because I have a site that deals in media & it matters to a lot of other people who live vicariously through the lives the of the rich & famous actors & so pay attention to their habits & try to emulate them. Kind of like rats in a maze. It's what is happening in the world outside our little bubble. —POP!— It's History. It's the passing of time. It's what makes news. How else to tell time without a watch or calendar but by the occurrence of events. Light up. 'All's fair in love, war & blogs' — i

I have an interest in how the media manipulates people & chattel being brainwashed by them is of great observational interest to me. I mention it in other places on hipforums about Trial By The Media. http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=474134&highlight=trial+by+media&f=528 But, 'No man is an island'. Don't kid yourself. I know some of these s0-called $tarz & yes, they do comment that people 'act' like they know them through their movies as though it was personal. There's a difference between a groupie & a mocker.

People are interested in people & for different reasons, if only to distract themselves from the harsh realities of life & mundane bullshit & internalizing their grief. It's like dreaming; mostly something to keep your mind occupied while your physical body rests.

My sister watches dumb soaps & I got on her case cause they are so lame, but it puts her mind into an REM State or some kind of meditation on nothing, very Zen. They make me puke. But now I realize everybody has something, Like John Lennon said: Watching TV is like smoking pot. It's a 'frigid' escape; putting our minds in the freezer to chill so let's try & get over it, shall we?

:dizzy2: :argue: :gossip:

 

I'm sorry: Can you have really read what I wrote since you've missed the point entirely? If you just read the title, you won't get it.

The 'invincibility' comment is a sarcastic remark which doubles as meaning the direct opposite.

Read my post directly below this one which clarifies the subtle, stinging nature of my text which is not as it seems at face value.

PS: Angie didn't actually 'have breast cancer' —only carried a gene for it.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-207_162-57589777/melissa-etheridge-angelina-jolies-mastectomy-decision-was-fearful-not-brave/

"Melissa Etheridge said she doesn't agree with Angelina Jolie's choice to have a preventative double mastectomy after learning she had the BRCA gene mutation that could lead to developing breast cancer.

In a recent interview with the Washington Blade, Etheridge, a breast cancer survivor, said, "I wouldn't call it the brave choice. I actually think it's the most fearful choice you can make when confronting anything with cancer." In a follow-up statement, released Tuesday to ET Online, Etheridge said, "I don't have any opinion of what she 'should have' done. All are free to choose. I only objected to the term 'brave' describing it.

After Jolie, 38, opened up about her decision to undergo the procedure in a New York Times op-ed, her husband, Brad Pitt, 49, said the choice was "absolutely heroic." But Etheridge, who was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2004, said, "I have to say I feel a little differently. I have that gene mutation too and it's not something I would believe in for myself."

She added, "My belief is that cancer comes from inside you and so much of it has to do with the environment of your body. It's the stress that will turn that gene on or not. Plenty of people have the gene mutation and everything but it never comes to cancer so I would say to anybody faced with that, that choice is way down the line on the spectrum of what you can do and to really consider the advancements we've made in things like nutrition and stress levels."

Etheridge, 52, underwent cancer treatment in 2004, making a memorable appearance at the 2005 Grammy Awards, when she took the stage -- bald from chemotherapy -- to perform "Piece of My Heart," as a tribute to Janis Joplin.

"I've been cancer free for nine years now and looking back, I completely understand why I got cancer," Etheridge told the Washington Blade. "There was so much acidity in everything. I really encourage people to go a lot longer and further before coming to that conclusion."

Jolie admitted in the New York Times piece that it was a difficult decision, noting, "On a personal note, I do not feel any less of a woman. I feel empowered that I made a strong choice that in no way diminishes my femininity."

At Monday night's "World War Z" premiere in New York City, Us Weekly asked Pitt what he thought about Etheridge's comments. After hearing the remarks, which were news to him, Pitt said, "Melissa's an old friend of mine. I'm sure we'll talk on the phone. I don't know what it is."

Etheridge's interview in the Washington Blade coincides with her summer tour behind 2012's "4th Street Feeling."

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To be far sarcasm is hard to detect on the internet, since sarcasm is very much communicated by not only the words said, but the tone the comment is uttered in which in the case of a forum can't be heard.

Also sarcasm, in the way you used it in a joking way, which is not the context of where the love and sex threads are about.

Jokes belong in joke areas of the site, and as it is this topic is leaning to be more appropriate to the sexual health sub-forum, given that we are now talking medical procedures and pop culture and mainstreet culture reacting too them.

 

:bulb: Get a clue. It's valid as a subtopic to >Genitalia> which relates back to the original & concurrently contains such raging Threads as: 'What Size Breasts Do You Prefer' right along side of it. This is not a topic for the humor area. (It was permitted as not off-topic.) At least I'm not laughing. If you don't perceive the subtlety of the very serious point I made to start this thread, I've gone further & explained. Connect the dots...

Then, when I reposted & added all the lol's & smiley faces which are supposed to clarify sarcasm in text (and I am well aware of that inadequacy of texting) —you interpreted it as a 'joke'. I can't win for losing here...

It's almost like you guys rather argue semantics while ignoring the point of the post. I'm not joking. It is a very serious matter related to genitalia since I am wondering how many other women will follow suit. Read the article by Melissa Etheridge I posted. She is a breast cancer survivor & she agreed it is not a brave choice nor a panacea (cure-all).

Again, I make a very valid point & if you view my other posts they will only confirm the fact that I am not a buffoon. I've been offered handlers to take me around to the LA Comedy clubs because I'm so damn funny I could make a living at it & refused because I don't aspire to be a court jester since some things are sacred & not to be joked about.

SARCASM IS DIFFERENT! It usually contains a sharp barb of truth that is best inserted with the balm of humor along with the verbal technique of inferring that the opposite of the fact is so.

This is a serious topic which I'm covering with sarcasm because of the depth of stupidity & fear I see that brought this woman to maim her lovely physique.


"On dit souvent la vérité sous le couvert d'une plaisanterie"

 

Can we all get over the terrible loss of Angie's melons already?

They were hers. She decided she didn't want them anymore.

End of story.

 

Yep, I guess I'd just been posting on the parallel 'titulating-topic' so when I thought of this subject I almost posted in there, but then thought a new string in order; but thanks, thinking in linear fashion I didn't consider those other places... PS: I wonder what kind of Mod Hat is a Mod Hat? —A Wig Hat, maybe?! :daisy:

 

Yes, I like a wide brimmed hat like the last one. They act like you're trying to be a cowboy but actually Doctor Bob told me to get one to prevent skin cancer. He said I was the only one who ever listened to him in 30 years of practice.

But what I am secretly starting to miss lately is pointy bras, —like Brunheld. Girls in battle had to wear 'em. It's sort of what a cod-piece is to guys. Opera-Ware!!! You don't need tits if you have a set of chrome like those!

"Bug-eyed he watched her fall into the pit,
done in by the weight of those terrible tits.
—As Sung by Bette Middler on the Album 'Beaches'

...At which point I would take my linear__thinking back over to 'What Breast Size do You Prefer?" to post the Lyrics to this wonderful 'Hymn to the Breast'; but who will even know it's there? (Sigh) I'm out of context as usual... Ahh! —That is unless I designate it a tribute to Angeline Jolie's many roles as a strong female heroine!!! On second thought, why did they invent copy-paste aside from footnoting medical research papers? http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=455635&f=279

 

I guess I just dont under stand why she would have her tits cut out , I have a much different idea of why we get sick . If any one wants to hear it let me know .

 

—She was only found to have a gene that made her so many percent more likely to 'develop breast cancer' than average & her mother died of 'cervical cancer'... So your guess is as good as mine. I think I would have gone to Vegas on those kind of odds, since death is random & how can they predict how you are going to croak? Or when? I certainly wouldn't listen to most doctors about surgery since they are required to do so many per month because it's big money for hospitals.

OK, my oldest brother (love him) tested positive in a biopsy for prostate cancer; a spot & when he was opened up they also saw a small mass across from it & on the odds that it wasn't just a benign little mole, they wound up cutting the whole prostate out —'TO SAVE HIS LIFE'! —A REALLY HEALTHY GUY! This was the freaking Cleveland Clinic! Later the doctor asked him if he had a brother, that I should get checked because we share the same genes. Do you think I went in all freaked out & got PSA Tested? EVEN Elevated PSA is not really accurate anyway. This was some time ago.

He was exposed to a totally different highly dangerous job field than I. And genes can be there, but certain conditions have to be present to activate them: stress, toxins, diet, whatever, etc. Plus, there are certainly more than a few familial genes that could be deadly, lurking in our bodies. You can only die of one of them anyway. We could turn into nervous wrecks over some prediction of eminent death & I think that is what might have happened to the poor girl. And what a beautiful woman.

I mean, what do you cut off next if you're woman & have your breasts amputated or you are a guy & have your manhood removed? There's not much left & some people might think there's not much point in living & would rather die & go on to the next World. But Angeline didn't in this case even receive a positive biopsy; not as far as I've read so far, so someone please correct me if I'm wrong. I mean they're your breasts to do whatever with & your husband knows not to cross you when you make a decision about something & yada yada 'women should have say over her body & yada yada...'

—Im pretty certain I read that it was only a choice she made thinking it was inevitable when she had no cancer at all. That's why the controversy from Melissa Etheridge who fought a brave fight over breast cancer herself & survived. She actually had cancer; Angie did not. It was that Angeline's mother died of another cancer remotely related to this other thing that she might get. Tell me if I'm wrong. Gee, if I was her husband we'd certainly have both had a say in this! I don't think when you are fucking each other every night plus paraded before the whole World you can just independently decide to cut your dick off or get your pussy sewed shut. So she's a fucking moron & didn't deserve to be that beautiful in the first place cause look what she goes & does with it. The body is only temporary anyway. Let's all fucking cut ourselves. Let's all kill ourselves piece by piece. The fucking boogeyman is coming!

So now you're not living scared with it, you are not scared cause you are living without it. That's logic like: "—I had a really beautiful car & I was constantly afraid somebody might wreck it, so instead, I got a hammer & smashed it up myself. Now I'm not worried about it any more." That's back-asswards illogical, unemotional & moronic. I don't know how many people are this stupid but this is a stupid deceision. Stupid & fearful. And this action is the sole result of fear & listening to crappy doctors who are only happy to collect your money on the way out if they can persuade you that the such & such is ultimately gonna getcha! BOO!

I've been checked before through the years & everything looked OK. Who actually savors some doctor shoving his finger up your ass? What should I do, cut my dick off thinking I 'might get it'— when there is absolutely nothing the matter with me?

Since big bro had it 'removed' (and is now minus some priceless equipment) medical science has also reluctantly admitted most of us men get prostate cancer if we live long enough & the best treatment is to leave it alone since you will probably die of something else before it kills you. THEY ADMITTED IT: IT TAKES THIS CANCER REALLY LONG TO GROW INTO SOMETHING THAT WILL AFFECT YOUR LIFE!

Gee Doc, can I have my prostate back? A doctor said something profound to me six months ago about some operation on my sinuses some other doctor wanted to have that eventually cleared up on its own. He said: "The only thing that you cannot do is un-operate!" —Wise!

That's the way I see what she did & why I posted this thread, because I think she just got freaked out by some doctor. Live long & naturally! Enjoy life even if you are dying.

 

But that is an assumption you're making.

Listen it was her body, her choice, her consequences, if she regrets it later she will not get pity from me or should she from anybody else.

I am deeply concerned with how our society makes medical decisions based on pop culture icons like celebrities, and gene therapy has come a long way so who knows how accurate it is now, not to mention Jolie has the $ to afford medical procedures and tests most people can't.

You also have no grounds to say or not to say if her husband/partner (are they married? I forgot if they were or not) did or didn't have a say in this, you don't know them.

As for you, if these kinda of medical procedures are not for you, then you have the full right to say no. As long as the system isn't forcing you I don't believe it's a problem, the onus is on the patient to ask questions and do the research on a potential medical procedure or test they have taken or are about to undergo.

 

We get it, —That this is her body. OK? Does anybody doubt that point? Is SHE HER? Yep! Let's move on to the point I've been making for hours, just one last time:

ANGELINE had NO CANCER is totally what was PRINTED, written & what we all READ way, way before she decided to have this Mutant operation. (No typo here). Angie did NOT have Cancer. Got it? She had a gene that could maybe possibly someday even lead to cancer...if her tits didn't fall off naturally through old age or if Death didn't snatch her in any other way: But when she was wheeled into the operating room SHE HAD NO CANCER. SO WHY WAS SHE THERE!? And that's why Melissa Etheridge (see link to reprint below) criticized everyone 'praising' Angeline Jolie for her BRAVE decision saying it was actually the MOST FEARFUL DECISION A WOMAN COULD MAKE —'NOT' THE BRAVEST. Credit where credit is due. You're acting like this was some nose job to make her prettier. Angelina Jolie was scared she MIGHT GET CANCER SOMEDAY & opted to have her Breasts PRE-AMPUTATED. (I heard she was a cutter before anyway, so this is typical of the behavior...)

BUT— NO, Melissa Etheridge was TRULY BRAVE because she went through having actual Breast CANCER & BEAT the CANCER! That's the difference we are parlaying here BETWEEN BRAVE & AFRAID, Dude. That the latter is the example to follow. But, that NOW Angie can still die some other way & there's a Hell of a lot of traffic out there!? She did not avoid the grim reaper. There are no shortage of ways people check out. She didn't avoid anything considering THERE ARE FRICKIN MILLIONTEEN SEVEN WAYS TO STILL GET DEAD FROM! Got it? Absolument rien gagné. The first human being to prove a negative! WOW! I didn't think anyone could prove a negative! So what limbs should she cut off next? And shouldn't all women get their tits cut off? Should all women follow suit? Hello —does anybody speakah Engrish out there? I don't care if they're married or not, if I was the Douchebag fucking her you'd bet I'd have a say. Brad expressed no opinion beforehand. This is a team decision? What a couple of good-looking imbeciles! What a waste of Mother Nature. Are we mice or are we men...(sigh)—?

 

"My doctors estimated that I had an 87 percent risk of breast cancer and a 50 percent risk of ovarian cancer" to 5%

I'd certainly opt to take pre-emptive action.

I have not heard/read where she has refereed to herself as 'brave'.

 

(...I was reinforcing M.E's view about bravery re Title: Good thing she's not saying she was brave cuz she is not. Girls avoid emulating this)

OK, so what goes next, —your ovaries? Wow, you could sell them on eBAy! And other body parts... This is like a scary movie...

Go back to the title of the original post. Vaguely spoken: "You can still get hit by a milk truck & die Girl or whatever..." This operation avoided nothing considering it does not render you, AJ, impervious to death itself. Plus there was nothing but a statistic agreed upon by a medical establishment who earn their livelihood from claiming this sort of statistic is true. The need could be entirely disproved by the theory of randomness & genetic or other strategic causality: Yes —it can fucking happen _% of the time in all women but it can't necessarily happen to THIS woman _% of the time —or they are presumptuous to say that unless they are fucking God & I'd get a lot more second opinions, including herbalists before I did something this terminal. Like wait? Eat nothing but grapes & curry powder for the rest of your life. Chemo! BUT THEY WOULDN'T GIVE YOU CHEMOTHERAPY YET BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T EVEN HAVE CANCER! She jumped to the ultimate treatment they wouldn't even do to somebody who had cancer until it was a choice between radical mastectomy or death itself. But essentially she still didn't even have it. In fact she had nothing but a statistic the doctors gave her.

And that will always haunt people! I could still have my nice 3's. Even with almost zero faith in anything but what the doctors gloomy doom forecast predicted, she could have at least waited until there were some cells visible under a goddamn microscope. I'm not Madame fucking Curie but, duh. Most people at least walk around thinking they are not going to die of something. Why even tell someone this stuff? It sounds like Disease Commercials on TV. I hate those!

And WTF about early detection? Where'd that stat go? I wanna see it! How many of those 87% actually died? Occurred in or died of, or how many died after early detection, late detection, etc? Or, heck, how many of these extreme cases were forced to have a partial or duel mastectomy & lived? Sounds like Jolie is a hypochondriac who runs to the doctor every week. I mean, she has her own resident doctor like Michael Jackson did. Who needs to run?

The point is the whole operation was stupid because it succeeding in proving that you can't have cancer in breasts that are no longer attached to your body because you can't not have cancer in breasts that are no longer attached to your body. Which proves or disproves nothing at all because both have the same answer: Nothing! Ne rien de rien.

No pain; no gain!