Islam is about peace and love?

Oh by the way all of you newly happy converts, here is a good read on what should be done with you should you decide to change your mind about your conversion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam
Good luck!

 

Just thinking the same thing - and I can't rep again either!!

 

When I was a little girl I was taken to the circus. For years I've pondered how they managed to fit so many clowns in one tiny little car. I've since learned that answer is the car was somehow using Internet based technology.

However the only thing that disturbs me is that you know know of them would say boo to a goose in real life.

But I have had a handful of real life incidents. A shop keeper refuses to let come into his shop anymore. But the one I like the most was young woman on service 202 Leeds to Dewsbury that started complaining about Arabs rather rudley and loudly.

I said to her rather nicely that it wasn't very polite of her to express her opinions in such a way. She was welcomed to her opinions but there's other people on the bus that she's disturbing. Well that was just the bee in her knickers that started an abrupt scean.

She started yelling that this is england and anyone that's not white english should leave. But I shut her up well I did when I looked her in the face and told her that she's right. Technically I'm not English! My father is Scottish and my mother is Irish and I was born in Glasgow.

All fine that I was raised most of my life in Manchester but if her vision of England is only the English. Then perhaps the English need to leave Scotland and Ireland too. I tell you there that there's many white races that wish England would confine herself to her own borders.

There's rude and ignorant people all over the world. It looks to me that it's just a part of being human. No one should let the rudness of a few clowns (from whatever race or religion those clowns come from ) get to them.

 

i don't own a black slave

so why do i pay for this crime??

just saying.

 

In the interest of acquired immunity does my black ant colony put me in jeopardy?

 

There's a lot of really good points in this thread. How I see it is that there are a lot of good, peaceful, loving muslim people. Individual people.
However how anyone can really say that Islam is a religion of peace I really have no idea. Even just by something that resistance herself said- about how cartoon drawings of Muhammed are considered to be an act of war- that is not peaceful right there! It's just ridiculous is what it is.
I'm personally not a christian or involved in any organized religion (though I do have my spiritual beliefs) but at least Jesus preaches about loving your enemy, turning the other check, etc.
And yes, Muslim countries are full of oppression. Anyone who doesn't see that... I'm just not sure what to even say. I also, like some have mentioned, know some wonderful individual muslim people but I really think that is despite their religion- there are good Muslim people... who maybe pick and chose some of the teachings (in a good way).

 

Oh come come now. Drawings have been part of war probably since the very first cave drawings. Here's some recent examples below.







You have to be bind not to see the games played in the media on behalf of the government. The media always helps the government gain public support by creating a frenzy through the use of mockery and ridicule. So yes it's very easy to see where this sort of thing can be seen as a prelude to war.


http://www.palestineposterproject.org/poster/what-did-she-teach-her-child-today

Check out what's being allowed on New York bus ads this year.

www.albawaba.com/behind-news/anti-islam-new-york-bus-ads-434876

Jesus (pbh) used a scourge of small cords to drive out the money changers and those selling animals for pagan sacrifice, overturning chairs and tables as well. You can start your reseach on this with Matthew 21:12

Also western nations are filled with oppression too. Might I suggest you take a look at the history of Sinn Fein (The british oppression against the Irish)
Then while you're at it, you might want to look at the following problems :

• Being a black man in the United States,
• Being an Algerian in France,
• The social and labour inequalities between men and women in Italy
• The native north american indian movement called Idle No More in Canada.

And any other million thing happening right in your very own backyard.


Just because you might be white and your belly is well fed doesn't mean there's no oppression going on right under your very own nose.

 

Recent? Those are from World War II, which happened during the 1940's. Those pictures are all about seventy years old. That's hardly recent.

Also, Draw Mohammad Day isn't an act of war. It's a statement of defiance that we won't be intimidated by the kind of fundamentalists who murdered Theo Van Gogh and blew up a news paper office. It's saying that we are allowed to criticize your religion, and threats of violence will not stop us. It's freedom of speech and opinion and we won't be silenced.

 

I'll respond to this more later (I'm coloring w my two yr old right now so only have half my attention here)

But just wanna say that I know there is oppression everywhere. I'm def not blind to that and I did not mean to imply in any way that islam is the only sort of oppression. All the world gov's and banking industries and zionist are oppressing the world ... the whole damn world is oppressed... And classism is more of an issue than race in the U.S., for example anymore. And women everywhere have their issues and I could go on and on...

 

So you cop out of your ridiculous arguments and with no answer to my argument you decide to whip out some 70 year old ww2 posters?.. I congratulate you! You make an excellent delusional illogical brainwashed muslim convert.
Remember to stay that way though, because you know what happens if you decide to change your mind about islam.

 

But come on, she says WWII is recent, never mind hov 95% of the people alive to see those posters are dead now

And that's a nice link she has, to muslims openly attacking freedom of speech, and whining and threatening angry (code word for violent, with beheadings, if they get their way) protests, if people are allowed to speak freely -- I mean we know israel does some fucked up things, but so? That's not the point, which is muslims trying to censor a fucking bus ad.

 

Okay, I just clicked on the bus ads. I'm not all for supporting Israel. (actually I'm very much SICK of the U.S. acting like their owned by Israel.. hmmm... "acting?".... but I'm not even gonna get into that here because that's neither here nor there on the comment I have about it...)

.... Why are the Muslims mad about those ads? Because the Israel thing? Why can't that just be ignored? Because the other part- "defeat Jihad"....what's wrong w that if someone is a peace loving Muslim, then they should want to defeat it too?

 

The AK Party’s Jihad
Against Alcohol In Turkey..

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/05/turkey-anti-alcohol-jihad-akp.html#ixzz2UFZZoDW2
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Yea, and Turkey is supposed to be the stabilizer in the middle east and a friend of the west and democracy (and islam.... and kinda bridge the gap, etc., etc.).... and wants to join the U.N. ..... Erdogan is walking a really funny line and I'm not sure how Turkey will turn out.

 

Jihad means struggle nothing more and to this extent it's often said that life is never ending jihad. So if for example you were having problems finding work; then you could say finding works is your jihad. Or if you're an alcoholic; then alcholism is your jihad.. etc etc etc.

And on some level or another all of us, muslim or otherwise, has some sort of jihad going on in their life. Catholics would call it "Their cross to bear" in life.

Well I think you need to take culture as a factor. Now freedom of speech amongst many arabian nations is not freedom to insult, offend or cause problems. Some things are just best not said because the either suit no purpose or overall they do nothing to contribute to the awareness of God.

Nevertheless Islam itself teaches a very pragmatic point of view about the concept of freedom. In short absolute freedom doesn't exist. There's always going to be repercussions in life for your actions. So the basic thinking is why would anyone want to live in self denile with such an erroneous concept?

Granted Arabs represent only 20% of the 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. You will find that culturally the many of the Arabic groups will react more strongly than the Bangladesh, Pakistani or many Africans.

As for me personally I don't advocate vandalism but if I saw that on bus. There would be no blooming way that I would ever step foot on that bus company's trolly. Furthermore I would find out who the advertising company is and then I would not by any product that uses their services. And now that I'm implicated in the Muslim community, I would do all I can to make sure we all get in on it. (In fact I think I'm going to get started on doing just that)

You see I have always held the opinion that Freedom of Speech is a concept that's NOT designed to give some big mouth ignorant turd a voice. But to help expose the truth, end corruption and expose the flaws in popular opinions.

Therefore if whatever is being expressed doesn't in some way work towards a sentiment of altruism and/or lofty goals, then it's not something that needs to be protected. (ie: express it if you want but the moment it causes problems it's gone. )

For the record, I held this opinion long before I became a Muslim and I think that the bus company should stand their ground and tell the judge to get stuffed.

 

Yes, possibly, but most of the time it means a bunch of angry religious nuts grab guns and bombs and kill innocent people over religion.

Then it isn't freedom of speech.

Why should something have to contribute to the awareness of God for it to be protected speech?

Because it makes us feel good about ourselves to be able to do what we want provided it doesn't hinder anyone else from doing what they want. That's a pragmatic view of freedom. "You don't get freedom because freedom = stupid" isn't a pragmatic view of it. That's just a theocratic fascist version of it.

That's exactly why freedom of speech was designed. You really don't understand the concept of free speech at all, do you?

And who are you to tell anyone else which speech 'causes problems?' And what is your definition of a problem? Anything could be a problem to somebody. What you're saying could certainly be a problem to many people, and you should have every right to say it. Even if you are a theocratic fascist.

Hey, it's good that you're somehow for free speech now after you complained about how mean free speech should be protected... Are you serious?

I know you won't respond to this, so I don't even know why I bother, because I'm pretty sure you blocked me for not playing nice and telling you how right and awesome you are.