O.K. who agrees? Iran is more compassionate than Saudi Arabia.

I know the previous poster of a thread was not measuring compassion, but some sort of righteous concern at morals, but isn't Iran after-all a compassionate nation for all the trouble it's had? The concept of SIn I suppose would be to regard more collectively, or regard, in an ideal way, through serious protectorship and consequential moral only for the LESS hypocritical. But once we are beyond sin, these people are traditionally filled with Baptism and at the same time honorable to the use of law at Golden Rules (both the positive and negative manner), not anything like an eye for an eye...


They tell me I must re-learn my technique for communication on the computer. YES!! I'm O.K. as it stands; I have to take the moral things formally again.


Forget the Egyptian kid. He's only nineteen years old.

 

You know this entire "arabs are bad" and "Islamic nations are bad" garbage has got to stop.

First of all, all nations are just a whole lot of horse caca. Men/women create nations and define borders trying to keep one group of people in and another group of people out. They set up stupid rules with punishments for anyone breaking them. None of which have anything to do with either nature or any diety.

Natures rules are pretty simple and more often than not, they tend to enforce their own punishements. Law enforcement or governments are not required. All the other "laws" are just a bunch of stupid rules.

And more often than not, the stupid rules don't protect the people or their culture. What they do is ensure the exploitation of one group over another. A good example of this is the laws against pot. There is just too much money in prisons and in booze.

The best solution is to get rid of all the politicians and take down all the borders.

 

Ron Paul on Iran
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdGsPioLLvQ&feature=player_embedded"]Ron Paul Highlights - GOP Debate in Ames, Iowa - YouTube

 

Iranians have been re-educated and educated, each in their own ways. Thus they are ready to start life free of debt, financial and human.

But the U.S. must believe in what they believe in for the Compassion. The lesson needs a hold on to the existing debts people have.:biker:

 

Does being a Baha'i in Iran still land you in prison?

 

Iran is a nice place..

 

Um, no. They have the citizenship rights.

 

Well that's a good improvement, then.

 

I take that back. A quick romp through google show that they still do.

 

They are both wicked regimes in their own ways. I trust Iran slightly more because they don't hide their cards as well.

 

Well, I just say what I know. I had two Bahai classmates when I was a little child. They were treated just the same as me and my other classmates. Actually as far as I know, Bahais live in Iran with almost all rights other Iranians have. You are free to think whether I'm lying or not. Usually searching the web for finding information about such controversial subjects doesn't lead one to the truth, since everyone interprets it in a way which benefits them. I mean none are trustful.

 

Well, to be fair it's not like it's still 1979 and thankfully it's not that bad anymore. But it is still happening. 2010 was a bad year to be a Baha'i leader.

I don't think you're lying. I think you're living the bias confirmation bubble that you're accusing me of. My own bias actually comes, not from reading the internet ('cause we didn't really have one in 1989) but from talking face to face with people that had been imprisoned or had to run for their lives. I just haven't kept up with Iranian news.

It's good that it's not that bad anymore.
But this is the part that I don't get:

In my country we've got some things pretty good. But we still strive to make things better. Racism isn't what it was 30 years ago, but that doesn't mean we should deny that it exists now or work towards bettering it.

So when I hear you say, the Baha'i I knew weren't persecuted therefore it's not done anymore, it seems disingenuous to those who really have been arrested. Strive to know what's really going on in your country (because every country has its whitewash that citizens need to look past) and don't be so dismissive or defensive of the negative. A good citizen of any country would want theirs to keep reaching for improvement, would they not? Perhaps examine your privilege - it can be tough to look past (I say this a Whitey who's had to examine my own in my culture)

Part of the perception problem here could be our age differences. 1979 may seem like ancient history to you but it seems like yesterday to me.

 

Oh, sorry. Just wanted to say listening to others is not trustful enough.

I shouldn't have said those sentences. I let my fingers type the letters without thinking. I even forgot the fact that they are considered infidel, and thus unclean (more unclean than a dog).

I don't know much about them. I have so little information that I'd better say I know nothing.
I'm curious now. needs a lot of research. Unfortunately, all doors seem to be closed. It would be very helpful if I could talk to some of them directly, but I never saw any Bahais around myself (except at school years ago as I mentioned). Moreover the government bans any site providing information about them, except the ones saying they are infidel, unclean, etc.
We all know our government has a great skill in whitewashing.

You are right.

 

There are plenty of forums on the internet where you can ask questions. Since your English is very good I suggest
Bahai Forums
or you can ask me.

I run a news blog that deals mainly with the oppression of the Bahais in Iran. Here's one recent story about a mother and baby going to prison.

There are now four Bahai mothers with breastfeeding children in Semnan prison alone.

Bahais are not the only ones who are oppressed in Iran: the UN special rapporteur's report has lists at the back with the names of Christians, Bahais, and journalists who are in prison as prisoners of conscience. The Gonabadi Sufis get an especially hard time.

 

Merci. But it's banned.

Yes I read about that poor mother. They said she was sent to the hospital then with her baby. (I don't know why)

I know. But in prison, various groups of people are found, not just Bahais. I want to find out the government's reason for sending them up. Actually my main question is whether they are in prison just because of their religion, or perhaps they did something against the government?
How can one trust UN rapporteur? How can one ever trust anyone? I think the trustiest way is talking to Bahais living in Iran.

 

Hi Hommayra,

I can't put you in touch with B* in Iran, and you cannot really go around asking people whether they are B*. (I am avoiding a certain word, because I don't want hipforums to be filtered in Iran, if we use that word too much). I do have a lot human rights reports about the B* in Iran on my blog. They are mainly of three types:

- the expulsion of students from tertiary education, if it is found they are B* and they refuse to become Muslims.

- the desecration of B* cemeteries, and arson and other attacks on B* homes and shops, and the confiscation of land

- the arrest and imprisonment of B*. Usually this begins with a raid on their home, and the seizure of religious books, photographs of Abdu'l-Baha, and CDs and computers with B* material on them. Later they are charged with "propaganda against the regime" or something like that, but if this was the real reason for their arrest, why do the security agents take away their religious books and photographs?

Could you try to access my new site, which is "Sen's daily" at
http://sensday.wordpress.com/
I am interested to know whether it is filtered. If it is filtered, I will pull a few articles from it and post them here.

There is bigotry and prejudice in every country to some extent, and religious minorities sometimes suffer. But the situation in Iran is different, for all the religious minorities. Every state has some sort of rationale for why it exists and is run the way it is, and in most countries this is something that anybody might agree with. But in Iran the rationale for the Valiyate Faqir system is rooted in the Usuli branch of 12-er Shi'ism. It doesn't make sense at all unless you first accept Islam, the right of the Imams, and the Usuli idea of following a marja-ye taqlid, a senior cleric. That's the foundation on which Khomeini built his ideas (and not all usuli 12-er Shia agree with what he built on it). So Iran has a government system whose reason-for-being is an idea that it knows can only be understood and supported by people of its own religious persuasion. Naturally, it treats all the religious minorities as internal enemies. This is not because of the way the minorities behave, it is because the structure of the government means that only its own kind of people can be trusted.

Let me know whether Sen's Daily is filtered. If you can read it, scroll down a little to see what life is like for the B*, or use the search engine on "cemetery" or "student" or "arson." About 5% of the reports come from B* sources, the rest are from reliable human rights organisations. The sources will be blocked to you, so you will have to take my word for it that I have translated them carefully and checked them for consistency.

 

Nice blog.

The article about the Baha'i and the LGBTQ conference was interesting.
The Baha'i position on homosexuality was the reason I left the faith and am now, technically, an apostate.

 

Because it's Ayotallahs' deepest wish.

It is, unluckily... So is any other site/blog on wordpress.com
Will you please? Of course I'm not sure if here's the right place for that.

In fact, B* is not considered a religious minority by Ayatollahs. The only religious minorities in Iran are Christianity, Judaism and Zoroastrianism. According to IRI constitution, article 13: Zoroastrian, Jewish, and Christian Iranians are the only recognized religious minorities, who, within the limits of the law, are free to perform their religious rites and ceremonies, and to act according to their own canon in matters of personal affairs and religious education.

 

This site covers some belief systems but I dont see the *B* belief you posted .http://www.interfaith.org/forum/ It would seam Iran is not quite as open as ever one would like . What do you think they would to some one that calls him self a new ager ?

 

Interfaith forums has a B* section:
http://www.interfaith.org/forum/bahai.html

New age would fall under the heading of "false spirituality" which the regime has appropriate tools to oppose. There's an institute at Qom that gathers materials and trains people to oppose alternate religions. The also run extension courses and hold exhibitions in major cities across Iran.