Non-profit Group Creating a Festival

Discussion in 'Events and Festivals' started by ChinaCatSunflower67, Apr 29, 2013.

  1. ChinaCatSunflower67

    ChinaCatSunflower67 Member

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    Hello Hip Forumers! :daisy:

    I am posting this thread in hopes to find good people who would want to share their knowledge on what it takes to put together a small scale music festival. And by small scale I mean around 1000 people in attendance. This is our goal but we also expect maybe as less as 500 attending.

    First off, we are a non-profit, and we have the option of getting grants. Though it seems the deadline for most these grants in my province (Saskatchewan) has passed, and wont be open until October.

    This is a first go at making a festival for the whole group, which is comprised of 4 directors and around 5/6 steady members. We are very much in the beginning stages of it all. So !
    I'm wondering, what kind of funding does it take to put on a 3 day festival, with two stages (One main Stage & one for electronic and smaller acts), Vender booths, and all other necessities such as bathrooms, and first aid facilities. (That's a loaded question, I know)

    We want to promote self sustainability, and permaculture at our event and really want to take the "Do-it-yourself" route, and as cheap as we can do it.

    So any information you have that would help with the above mentioned plans, please share, and id really love to discuss this with some experienced minds out there ! Thanks a bunch :)
     
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  3. ChinaCatSunflower67

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    Complicated is good :2thumbsup:

    I need something to rack brain on to get this thing in motion,

    Thank-you :)
     
  4. Aerianne

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    I hope it helps and good luck with it!
     
  5. drumminmama

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    Three days is pretty ambitious for a first festival. Do any of your board members or steering committee members have any event experience?

    What does non profit status mean in Saskatchewan and Canada?
    In the US, a non profit has to have a mission, charity, education, science and arts, health, what have you.

    Some festivals are by non profits (which is really just a tax code definition. Plenty of fests make no profit for at least three years, and are LLC or other corporate forms)

    You need corporate sponsors. Cash or inkind. That can be anything from printing of posters and screen printing T shirts to catering, ad space/time in local media, shuttle service, hotel rooms for performers and their staff, tax preparation, drink cups, water and sanitary stations...

    Fests are BIG money.
    You have to rent the space, including camping.
    Performers' management might, might, might go with a slightly lower fee for an NPO, but not during season, unless there is an established relationship.
    Performers, techs, staff and volunteers have to be fed, watered, have chill spaces away from the public.

    How will you power the stage(s)? Who will provide that, and at what cost?
    How will food and drink vendors get power at 220?(typical in the US)
    Will other vendors have light available come evening?
    What about sound engineers and light techs? Who provides the stage itself?
    Where will green rooms be? VIP area for the sponsors or people who buy the shmooze tickets if offered?

    What about shower and toilet facilities?
    Security? EMS and Fire readiness?

    Who has the experience to book the bands? Will you use reverb nation or other submittal services? Who will provide back line? What happens if Headliner A cancels? Who bought the insurance to cover the refunds because no where on the tickets did it say rain or shine, no refunds? And because it is good business ethics to offer them in severe circumstances.

    Food and beverage permits, alcohol permits, tax permits/enforcement for all vendors.
    Who will run artist merchandise? Who will handle count in, count out, payout? Who will be able to have multiple thousands of dollars in cash for change, artist merch payout (smaller acts travel on merch cash while banking ticket sales payouts, and non Canadian artists might insist on cash across the board as their banks are not easily accessible)

    Who will deal with the artist who refuses to go onstage?
    Will you allow artist dogs on site? ( I recommend this, while barring dogs otherwise.)

    Who has the experience to be stage manager, keeping everyone on time?
    What about monitoring dB levels? What are your local laws?

    Fests are WORK.
    I've produced/ booked two, worked more than 200.
    I have more than a decade of event experience and I would not take on a Fest from scratch.
    I'd build a team of people who know their stuff and whom I can trust implicitly.
     
  6. ChinaCatSunflower67

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    Thanks a lot for the concern, and mentioning some really important things needed in putting something like this together. Your help is really appreciated.

    3 days is ambitious, so were thinking just aim for one, or two for our first event, but in the future we'd like to work towards it being three days.
    The majority of the group, including myself are new to this. But they are an excellent crew with great ideas, and 100% willing to put their time and energy into it. We do have one fellow who has experience though, he puts together various events and parties across Canada. He is a busy guy, and has agreed to help us as much as he can.

    Non profit here means:
    "A non-profit corporation is a legal entity separate from its members and directors formed for purposes other than generating a profit to be distributed to its members, directors or officers as dividends. While, a non-profit corporation can earn a profit, the profit must be used to further the goals of the corporation rather than to pay dividends to its membership. Non-profit corporations are formed pursuant to federal or provincial law."

    We shouldn't have a problem getting sponsors as we have already had decent support from local businesses in our recent fundraising events.

    We have leads on some land we might be using, all private property and free of charge (or somewhat free anyways). And as for a stage, I've seen flatbed trailers work, and happen to know where I could find one. For power I assume we'd be needing a generator, really not sure what kind? or what works best ? I imagine a few generators would be needed.

    This is all stuff we are really thinking about, we can already see these things take time, mainly because there is so much you need to cover first. were working on it though.

    We have a lot on our plate, especially since were trying to juggle Festival plans, while working on fundraising events happening each month. also we recently acquired a garden that some of us in the group feel may help our cause, But I think gardens take a lot of work, that's probably unnecessary.

    Well thanks anyway, you've mentioned some really important stuff we need to be thinking about, and we'd really like to get an estimate on what this sort of event is going to cost to put together soon so we can really build a stronger plan, and you've definitely brought up some things we haven't even discussed yet. Would you have any links or books that have any good information on setting event like this up? I'm finding it hard finding good info online, and I'm sick of seeing "15 steps to make a music festival" haha.



     
  7. drumminmama

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    Find the best equipment rental folks around, whomever rents back line. If they don't do stages, they know who does. They will know some good engineers, too.

    Let me know what community you are in, or close large town/city, and I can poke around.

    There are trailer stages. They'd do well for a one day Fest.

    Generators. Oh hell yes you will need some. Diesel, biodiesel or solar (see the Solarator at solargreens.com)
    Most make noise, so they need to be away from main stage and camping areas.
    Depending on the size of the sound system, light system, vendor needs (lighting versus refrigeration) and what other power you'd need to supply, you figure out the amp draw versus watts produced. Again, talk to the audio pro rental folks.

    I could tell you who to talk to in Denver, for sure.

    Booking for summer is done for the year 2013. Booking for 2014 should start about September, and likely be over by January. Smaller local acts are an exception.
     
  8. MikeE

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    "Somewhat free" land. One expense is insurance. and its a big item of overhead.

    What is the purpose of this festival? Publicity or profit?

    (The 3 day event I work on is starting next week, so I'm not really available until 15 may)
     
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