the FUCK is wrong with music now?!?!?!?!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeBb-gTjWKA&feature=grec_index"]YouTube - Kris Kristofferson-To Beat the Devil

"If you waste your time a-talkin' to the people who don't listen,
"To the things that you are sayin', who do you think's gonna hear.
"And if you should die explainin' how the things that they complain about,
"Are things they could be changin', who do you think's gonna care?"

There were other lonely singers in a world turned deaf and blind,
Who were crucified for what they tried to show.
And their voices have been scattered by the swirling winds of time.
'Cos the truth remains that no-one wants to know.

 

Then I stole his song. :leaving:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj9fofFGXKc"]YouTube - Manfred Mann - Do Wah Diddy (1964)

 

Amen brother.

 

The problems with generalizing all music are obvious.. but I'd say the main problems are the over estimating of the value of lyrics in general and the use of formulaic models for creating a profitable musical product.


I'm not knowledgeable enough in what genres actually mean, nor naive enough to think that everyone has the same idea in mind when they think of a particular genre. So a specific example of good mainstream music is Outkast (might not be popular anymore i dunno). Outkast (read: Andre 3000) produces quality music-- The lyrics are interesting and he actually tells a story and delivers it in a creative, well-textured manner.

But for me lyrics are always secondary, they can even be a hindrance, a muddying up of what, in my opinion, the real art is --- competent use of diatonic music (with deft chromaticism), texture, phrasing, novelty, rhythm .


There are those that love poetry and so when they hear a well crafted line they get pleasure from it, or get a feeling of connectedness through a shared experience, or whatever it is.

For me that is why I like to read certain philosophers and writers.. I dont get that much out of poetry.. that is in comparison to what I truly value, the components of music i said before


Music should not be expected to convey a concept. Or even a particular emotion, because when it comes down to it I never feel sad while listening to something composed in a Minor key. I feel nothing but beauty when listening to the first movement of Moonlight Sonata, and nothing but a sort of exhilarated beauty when listening to the third movement. The main point is it should sound good. It should make your mind move.

Moonlight Sonata 3rd movement (sorry not sure how to embed)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zucBfXpCA6s&feature=channel

Gripe:
In regards to the percussion in rap: there is too much bass on 1 and 3 and WAAY to much treble on 2 and 4. It could be that its not how it was originally equalized and a lot people just dont know how to make their systems sound good. But , it makes me think people have damaged their ears because of the their seeming imperviousness to incredibly high treble coming from the high hat and snare strikes.

 

Today's pop music.... catchy but empty. its fun for like a day, then i'm sick of it. But The Beatles? I listen to that over and over again and it still hasn't gotten old in years.

 

oh yea i love nowdays pop its sooo gooood! beetlees? w000t? SUCKS BALLZ!

 

Mainstream pop is usually pretty pathetic... But there is a lot of really good pop that goes unnoticed though... Dan Black is a great example...

 

It's gotta good beat and you can dance to it! All that matters!!! :2thumbsup:

 

The problem is not only with musicwriters.Its with the whole young generation.People now listen Bieber/Minaj soforth ( i dont mean to disrespect anyone - i just dont like thiese ''artists'').Many bands now want to be such because of the alcohol/drugs/bitches. Too much great songs have appeared maybe and young people cant cope with that, they cant invent someting new and interesting as it used to be.

 

I think there is a lot of good new music these days.... You just arent looking in the right places. Stop listening to the pop stations.

 

This article explains why pop music is so bad

 

It doesn't matter, people still listen to it, gay ass bitches get paid for shitty productions.
Meanwhile good folks in garage bands that are actually quite decent have to put up with 15 audience members paying an entry fee of €5-10 at the local metal club XD

 

Pop music has always sucked. Before Justin Beiber and One Direction we had NSync and the Backstreet Boys, and before that New Kids on the Block it goes all they way back to the 50s and 60s.

Pop music generates a lot of revenue for the media companies thats why it's so heavily marketed. Unfortunately most people will listen to whatever music is spoon fed to them at the time. There's still good music out there but you have to find it, and most people don't take the time to do that.

 

There's always been shitty music but the real problem is there are no godlike bands anymore. We don't have that new unifying band of greatness that could fill up an arena. But dig around a little deeper in the underground and you're sure to find something great. A band worthy of being on the same scale as your Zeppelin's or what have you. Not to sound like a hipster douche but maintream rock is dead. It's all watered down horse shit these days, played by a bunch of people who can't write a song with any REAL feeling. It's all so safe now.

Although a good chunk of the music I listen to would never get the time of day on the radio, I can sympathize. Where are the guitar hero's or crazy singers of today? All we have are these lame professional dickheads that look like Good Charlotte or some crap. I bet they don't even throw TV's out of hotel rooms or have coke-induced orgies on airplanes like REAL rock stars do. Pussies...

There are musicians who look up to guys like Jimmy Page. Who the fuck looks up to DJ Ashba?

 

Remember When...

> 1920's

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains by Harry McClintock :guitarist:

One evening as the sun went down
And the jungle fires were burning,
Down the track came a hobo hiking,
And he said, "Boys, I'm not turning
I'm headed for a land that's far away
Besides the crystal fountains
So come with me, we'll go and see
The Big Rock Candy Mountains

In the Big Rock Candy Mountains,
There's a land that's fair and bright,
Where the handouts grow on bushes
And you sleep out every night.
Where the boxcars all are empty
And the sun shines every day
And the birds and the bees
And the cigarette trees
The lemonade springs
Where the bluebird sings
In the Big Rock Candy Mountains.


> 1930's

Reefer Man by Cab Calloway -

Man what's the matter with that cat there?"
"must be full of reefer"
"full of reefer?!"
"yea man"
"you mean that cats high?!"
"sailing"
"sailing"
"sailing lightly"
"get away from here
Man is that the reefer man?"
"that's the reefer man"
"I belive he's losing his mind"
"I think he's lost his mind!"
Oh have you ever met that funny reefer man reefer man
have you ever met that funny reefer man reefer man



> 1940's

Who put the Benzedrine, in Mrs. Murphy's Ovaltine?
Harry "the Hipster" Gibson - :beatnik:

Mrs. Murphy couldn't sleep
Her nerves were slightly off the beat
Until she solved her problem
With a can of Ovaltine
She drank a cupful most every night
And oooo how she would dream
Until something rough got in the stuff
And made her neighbors scream. OW!

Who put the Benzedrine, in Mrs. Murphy's Ovaltine?
Sure was a shame, don't know who's to blame
Cause the old lady didn't even get his name
Where did she get that stuff?
Now she just can't get enough
It might have been the man who wasn't there
Now Jack, that guy's a square
She never ever wants to go to sleep
She says that everything is solid all reet
Now Mr. Murphy don't know what it's all about
Cause she went and threw the old man out. Clout!
Who put the Benzedrine, in Mrs. Murphy's Ovaltine?
Now she wants to swing, the Highland Fling
She says that Benzedrine's the thing that makes her spring.


> 1950's

Good Rockin' Tonight by Elvis

Well, I heard the news
there's good rockin' tonight.
Well, I heard the news
There's good rockin' tonight.

I'm gonna hold my baby
as tight as I can.
Tonight she'll know
I'm a mighty, mighty man.

> 1960's

Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds by the Beatles -

Picture yourself in a boat on a river,
With tangerine trees and marmalade skies
Somebody calls you, you answer quite slowly,
A girl with kaleidoscope eyes.

Cellophane flowers of yellow and green,
Towering over your head.
Look for the girl with the sun in her eyes,
And she's gone.

Lucy in the sky with diamonds
Lucy in the sky with diamonds
Lucy in the sky with diamonds
Ahh...



> 1970's

God Save the Queen by the Sex Pistols unk:

God save the queen
The fascist regime
They made you a moron
Potential H-bomb

God save the queen
She ain't no human being
There is no future
In England's dreaming

Don't be told what you want
Don't be told what you need
There's no future, no future,
No future for you...


> 1980's

> Fight for Your Right to Party by the Beastie Boys -

You wake up late for school, man you don't wanna go
You ask you mom, "Please?", but she still says, "No!"
You missed two classes, and no homework
But your teacher preaches class like you're some kind of jerk

CHORUS: You gotta fight for your right to party

Your pop caught you smoking, and he said, "No way!"
That hypocrite smokes two packs a day
Man, living at home is such a drag
Now your mom threw away your best porno mag (Busted!)


1990's

Head Like A Hole by Nine Inch Nails -

God money I'll do anything for you.
God money just tell me what you want me to.
God money nail me up against the wall.
God money don't want everything he wants it all.
No you can't take it
No you can't take it
No you can't take that away from me
No you can't take it
No you can't take it
No you can't take that away from me
Head like a hole.
Black as your soul.
I'd rather die than give you control.

> They Just Don't Write'em Like That Anymore!! :rockon:

 

In Boston, there isn't a single good radio station now. Clear Channel has ruined them all.

 

You guys need to listen to Animal Collective and some of the other underground bands around right now, especially the album "Centipede Hz". Really missing out on the modern hippie music movement. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO_rgQOYK7o"]Animal Collective - Centipede Hz [Full Album] - YouTube

I know I already posted this in the "Teen hippies??" thread, but just trying to help. This album has def got me through some rough times, and I feel these guys don't get enough credit sometimes.

I also think something big is going to happen music-wise in June, so I honestly wouldn't fret. Still, enjoy the classics. Music, at its core, has no time.

Yep, yep, yep!

Excuses, excuses. You have the Internet, my friend! I'm not one to actually listen to the radio.

 

Yep, they got us here in the west too...

After the 1996 Telecommunications act was passed,(which could have been contested if we weren't such fucking sheeple) they gobbled up everything in sight, now they own more air than CBS, and ABC, who only own about 1/5 the stations. This is the same company that "blacklisted" certain songs after 911, including Cat Stevens' Peace Train and John Lennon's Imagine...

It's also been alleged that Clear channel employ mob like business tactics, literal arm-twisting and otherwise illegally use their dominance of the airwaves to control the live entertainment industry...

IMO, Clear channel is the main culprit in the all but utter destruction of diversity in media today. :bomb:

 

There is lots of good stuff for everyone out there but if you go on what is played on the mainstream channels or perhaps radio in general you might be dissappointed in what today's music got to offer. And even if you dig in the other genres you might get dissappointed because music is often specialized or focussing on a specific sound so subgenres and bands can be really different and if you look for something you really like you might find one band good and the other shit. It's very subjective. For example, I would never recommend Animal collective to another person and I could name lots of today's bands that are totally rocking my world (Siena Root, Endless Boogie, Orange Sunshine, Eartless, etc.) but are nothing special to another. Point is if you don't search for what you are looking for you will always get dissappointed in the music of your day. The only thing that's ruined is pop music and there's lots and lots more so don't whine about what you don't like musicwise but focus on the good stuff.