Abortion, (esp live birth abortions..)

Perhaps the deprivation thereof, is equally unfair!!

 

And perhaps guys who have unprotected sex with a girl shouldn't whine about the outcome being unfair.

 

I won't argue with that.

But abortion is also sometimes a case of medical triage, and not a method of birth control that women turn too as if it were a casual decision.

Are there women who use abortion as a method of birth control? Probably, but I leave it up to a higher power to judge them for that, it's not my place to try to interfere.

As a person I think the best thing someone in society can do to lessen the abortion rate is spread awareness of using protection, and creating social services to help single parents out so it's not so impossible to raise a child alone.

Society should be about helping people learn from their mistakes and to move on with their lives. Telling someone they deserve to suffer because of one mistake and that they alone are solely responsible for themselves doesn't help society as a whole. It is true you are responsible for yourself, but to a degree society's environment also plays a part into how one is going to view the world.

If this happens, perhaps more people will choose to keep the child alive rather than aborting it, and single parents would have reliable daycare so they can participate in academia and the work force more easily.

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I'd also like to float the notion that perhaps this issue is a morally neutral one. For instance:

1. You're immoral if you force a child on someone by repealing the choice of abortion.

and

2. You're immoral if you support taking a projected life.


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Now I don't know about you all, but I personally like to believe that God has a place for each child in heaven who could not live in this world for whatever reason (miscarriage, abortion, or other reason not specified).

And I would cite one passage of scripture to support this belief but I don't know if that would be appreciated here.

Might I suggest StpLSD that you pick a name for that child that you think was yours that you never met. It might help with the mourning process which I think you're entitled to. Who knows, you might meet them in the next life some day and get to name them.

 

:rofl:

 

He hasn't he's only been black or white about the issue. Which is sad because I was hoping this thread would be of a more intense, but fair discussion on the issue after some time passed.

 

This thread is a slow motion train-wreck.
And I can't look away.

 

The opportunity has been there - several times.

 

It is my belief that a fetus is not a person until the umbilical is cut and which is when I hear it gains a soul. So I guess I'm say yes to abortion

 

Bizarre.

 

This.

If we're going to accept that women are as smart and capable as men, then they need to accept equal responsibility here. If we consider the sexes equal and bodies simply vessels for our equal minds, it's entirely through luck that any particular person is a woman, and thus, is the one who bears a child when she engagues in sex. She is not inherently a victim because she had a child when there was an understanding that no children would be had (which is nearly always the understanding in the cases we're talking about, but obviously not always the end result), she is just as at-fault as if a man intentionally impregnated her after saying that he would not.

But then it's all about her choices, for nine months. Because she's the one who "has" to bear that child, and she's the one who has the right to make decisions about her own body, and she's going to be strong and do whatever the fuck she wants, and all that bullshit.

And then it's all about that no-good deadbeat dad, who needs to take responsibility for his actions, as well as responsibility for the woman who decided to entrap him at the expense of his quality of life, her quality of life, and most importantly, a child's quality of life.


If what I'm saying is not correct, then stfu and get back in the kitchen. (True) equality is a double-edged sword.

this is the type of thinking that is used to justify this crap. It's ironic, and infuriating. Makes proclaiming one's self to be a good old-fashioned male-chauvinist pig seem sort of appealing.

Anyways, we've already determined that it's quite impossible that there was any crying baby in a bucket in this case. Not only does the testimony by everyone who's not a major political player seem to say that's NEVER been the case and is a LIE, but as of '96 or somehing, the fetus is physically euthanized before removal, and it's still pretty unlikely that the female this thread is talking about had a late-term abortion anyways.

 

It makes a lot more sense than, and I judge it to be pretty common by comparison to, the scenario in your assenine assertation that people have babies to get welfare.

 

reading through the last few pages I really only have one thought regarding both abortion and gender equality

Either make absolutely sure that you are protected against pregnancy or avoid having sex with people you don't know, don't trust, and don't share the same morals and values.

 

Having been there and seriously fucked up on that count, I agree entirely. It can and will happen to you:daisy:

No matter what your gender is, it's a LOT more dangerous than it seems.... and it seems sort of dangerous :leaving:

 

This thread and the other locked one has given me pause into just not having sex until marriage where a family is part of the deal because I'd really like to meet my children. I don't want to miss out on any of them.

 

You just might. Associating marriage with some form of perfect scenario is a little wishful thinking, imho.

 

Man, stop trying to control what women do with their bodies. It's not your body, it's not your choice. And that's the bottom line. It's okay to have your own beliefs whether it's "right" or "wrong" in your personal opinion, but to shove that onto other people is not okay. Why? Because they are living their lives and what they do does not concern you. Their body is not a political battleground and more often than not, people (especially conservative white males that run this shit) don't bother to put themselves in the shoes of the woman who is getting an abortion.

 

Yeah a bit...and who is to say my hypothetical wife wouldn't get an abortion anyway. I guess sometimes ya just gotta have faith that your partner ain't gonna put you through that heartache. In the context of it needing to be done for medical reasons is different, in that case I'd imagine both partners would be in mourning.

 

Look on the bright side. It is more likely you won't have a child (she won't conceive) than an abortion being likely. Ok, maybe this isn't the bright side. But it's unlikely an abortion will be on the cards.

 

Negged

I'm not conserative, and I'm not here to argue against abortion. But I'm here to argue against uppity bitches who think it's ONLY their body and their choice. That is partly MY body, and potentially, MY child.

There needs to be a right to abortion, but there does need to be limitation and maybe there needs to be a method of legal challenge. ie. if you say you are on the pill and it's not true and you have a child, you legally get no child support, but the father can still have parental rights if he so desires.... that really takes the teeth out of the "you get him, girl" bullshit that gets thrown around between (dispicable) drunk females. And if you assure someone that you're against abortion and would never do it and you think it's murder just like they do, but then you get one, then they can sue you for crippling cash damages, for doing what you agreed you think is murder.... like a wrongful death lawsuit.

I guess I'm saying that the courts need to recognise that even if there's no sentient human being yet, we're talking about BOTH people being parents, and BOTH people's genetic code, and BOTH people should be consulted, because they BOTH consented to the decision that made the woman's body play test-tube. A simple way to allow individualism and such in this case is that, so long as it can be proven adequately for a civil court case, allow a pre-conception agreement for or against abortion to be legally binding, with serious legal consequences for violating it.

Ooooh, the feminists won't like this post one bit, it reeks of true gender equality and accountability

 

I wasn't the one being low. It was him who said I was whining about my potential child being murdered!! I'm fucking grieving!!!

Xaru, is just an asshole, who's insulting me, for something he knows nothing about!!


My unborn child still would've grown up and became a functioning adult.

It's funny that insensitive people like you, gets so sensitive when I talk about a living persons Mom having an abortion!!! What a double standard!! Goofygooberz, XXaruu and Maelstorm support what was essentially the murder of my child, and I hope you rott in hell for it!!!

My child deserved to live!!! I'm not low- you guys are low for saying I'm whining, for stating that my child deserves LIFE!

Babies are innocent, they can't do anything wrong. That child probably deserved his/her life more than all 3 of you!!!

(Xaru, Maelstorm and goofy gooberz.)

I'm so tired of cocky, ignorant and arrogent jerks like you!!!

I'm glad stupid people like you support abortion, hopefully that means you idiots wont reproduce...

One more thing, Xarru- Don't smoke, you might start a grease fire with that hair!!!