Girls, is your current Husband/boyfriend your best ever lover. And.......

It's so great to see a woman with some sense in this thread! They won't listen when a guy says it, so maybe they'll finally "get it" when it comes from a girl. :2thumbsup:

 

Thats right, I'm not gay or bi, and yet.......... I still find the idea of going with a girl sexy.

I'm not in an open relationship and don't want to be, and yet........I still find the idea of it sexy.

Were you dropped on your head as a child? I've put it a simply as I can, and I will leave it there.

Why are almost all men that go to the gym so dim, like this simpleton? He's like a little boy who keeps stamping his feet because he can't get his own way.

 

You still just don’t get it. This is why I don’t like trying to explain tough concepts to stupid people. But fortunately, I’m not the only one on here that does “get it”. In fact, Karen (another woman) also seems to get it. Do you think she’s dim too? Do you think all of us who can see how contradictory you are are equally dim?

 

It does sound kind of stupid, you are not bi but fantasize about being with a girl.

Like those that say they are vegetarian except for chicken, I really love chicken!

 

Silly me for staying in this thread.

There are no love stories or diamond commercials about swingers or open relationships. Maybe I'm a sucker for this stuff but to me, love makes the difference in life.

 

No It's not! I dare say some people are 100% gay, and some are 50-50, and for others it not as clearly defined as that. Do you think that there are not guys out there who have jerked off while thinking about other guys, but are not turned on enough by the idea to actually try it?

 

Lol, well getting angry about it makes it even more convincing

The furry cup awaits you

 

Aw, what’s wrong Rachel? Don’t want to answer my questions because you’re tired of looking dim? Or is it that you don’t want to call Karen and the others dim?

 

Never say never.

 

Your like a spoilt, upset little boy. I don't know if you need a hug or a spanking. Karen has not raised any issue with me, so I'm not sure what you mean by calling her dim?

I answered your question, I even made it simple so that even you could understand! Now I'm going to leave you be, as I said I would. I feel for you though, I really do...........

 

I do not think that word means what you think it means. The person you're talking to apparently has no judgment towards whether someone enjoys sharing their significant other or being completely monogamous. It's just not to their tastes to partake in the open relationship.

The preachers who rant off against gays and then go to some slum hotel to smoke meth and suck cock - that's the definition of a hypocrite. So are the people who are publicly prudish and judgmental towards alternative lifestyles (such as swinging, hotwifing, cuckoldry, bdsm type stuff or whatever) and then go on to partake in it in private.

Just because he's praising others for being bold in their sexual choices doesn't mean he's a hypocrite for not partaking in that lifestyle.

 

Are you suggesting that those in open relationships (and variations thereof) are absent any love involved?

 

Karen said essentially the exact same thing I said to you. So if you take issue with my statements, you would also take issue with hers. Unless of course you're hypocritical on who you take issue with too.

 

No, AwkwardVirgin, ask away. Although I can only answer for myself, and not others.

Hmmmm, did you copy and Paste this from xxaru? Think about it rationally? Think about what it takes to allow me to let another man into my house to fuck my girl! The girl who I cannot begin to describe to you how much I love! If a Man felt inadequate, unworthy, pathetic or insecure about himself, do you think he would happily allow his wife to even be in the same company as another man, let alone invite him into to his house to fuck her? A person such as that would do anything to avoid such a thing happening. He would be so lacking in confidence he would not let her out of his sight. I've never had a problem finding attractive woman to be with, so no problem there. Would I be able to find a girl who I love as much? Maybe not, but that is not my motivation for our lifestyle. I only ever want to be with someone who wants to be with me. If a girl was not in love with me, I would not want to be with her, no matter how much I loved her. As for not bothering? I get laid every night! Do you?

In our case yes, it is one sided! She does not want me with anyone else, which I like, but I also do not want anyone else other than her. I'm not into one night stands, and I do not have time for anything else. The fact that she gets to fuck somebody else, and I do not, is part of the kink!

Do I have a fetish for it? It turns us both on yes! Her teasing me gets me very hard, very quick, she also loves doing it. It's a fun, sexy teasing, not serious! We are not into swinging. She is not into going with other Men, only him, she wants what he gives her sexually. I also would not be into seeing her with just any guy. I want to watch/know that she is with him. Why? Because I know how he can make her feel, I get a lot of pleasure out of her pleasure. He can give her 7,8,9,10 orgasms when he fucks her. A lot of guys will claim they could do the same. Trust me, they cannot, very few could. A lot of girls may claim they orgasm as much as that with their guys, trust me, they don't. They are amazing together!

I obviously do not mind, nor am I jealous. I could not do it if I was, and she would not do it to me. She is such a good, kind and beautiful person! Yes, we have a very strong emotional connection, we love each other very much, and provide a loving stable home for our boy!

How could you be with someone you thought might leave you? What kind of bullshit relationship is that?

If there is hate, hurt and anger in a relationship it will not last, it cannot. Our relationship is about how much we love each other.

 

The post you quoted was about me, and therefore I was wondering if your response to it (Loser? ) was directed at myself? If so, I'll reply.

I am both able and willing to get my girl off, I get her off at least twice a day.:love: A non-functioning dick? My cock works just fine! lol..... I do get my girl off with oral, hand jobs, dildos, vibrators, clit wands and numerous other ways! We are both very open to just about every sexual turn-on you can think of, not everything does the job, but there is not much we have not tried. Neither I, or my girl has given up on our sexual intimacy, quite the opposite, it is very active and loving. I will say that she does have an abnormally high sexual appetite, and mine does not match hers. She has a lover because we are into fun and adventure, like you.

 

you give your gf 2 orgasms a day and she still has another sex partner????

I didn't say that, I'm saying that there is no story you can share about your love life with anyone except other swingers and an anonymous forum like this.

How you can you have intense feelings of longing and desire for your partner when all you have to do is wait til Friday for that other cock you like suck? How can you feel lonely? How can you look at your wife's body and love every inch of it when you have another set of tits, another set of pussy lips to explore?

Where's the excitement of a weekend away with your husband or wife, knowing that the kids aren't going to be around and can you can try some risque stuff when you are regularly having threesomes or partner swaps?

someone asked me why I bother to read this thread or others like it. I do because I am disgusted, repulsed, sad, depressed and angry when I read stories about people who live such selfish lives and keep hoping that someone is going to read one of my posts and have an epiphany and stop engaging in such a debauched lifestyle.

There are things I wish were part of our sex life (my wife and I). I find other women sexually desirable. I get attention from other women. I had lots of sex before I met my wife.

But none of that would ever make me think of trying to introduce someone else into our sex life. We are a pair, a couple, a team, two hearts beating together.

If someone else was involved that would all be destroyed. If I thought, my wife doesn't like anal but girlfriend loves to take it in the ass or my wife would never let me cum on her face, she thinks it's degrading and disgusting but my girlfriend loves to be a dirty whore and have me plaster her face with jizz, how long would it be before I started thinking my wife was boring and my gf was the one who got me excited? And even if I still felt that my wife was a better companion, how loong would it be before sex with her became a mechanical act, because my passion was for someone else?

A hundred people can get on this thread and tell me that they are happily married but are not monogamous and I wouldn't believe a single one. They are all liars or completely delusional. O, the elaborate mechanisms of denial and self deception they are capable of creating! My stomach churns when I read these stories. How does a person stray so far from normal that they end up there? What kind of abuse or trauma must they have suffered? I feel so sorry for the spouses that get dragged into this filth because these are stains that don't wash off. These are stains that are a blight on one's soul. Why even bother to be married? That life is such a betrayal of the wedding vows, such a sellout, such an easy, cheap and petty way to feed one's selfish desires.

I have to stop typing now because the more I do, the more outraged I get.

Too many diseased animals, masquerading as people in this world.

 

I sure do, and she sure has!! Like I said, she has an abnormally high sex drive! She needs a release at the start of the day, she gets cranky if she does not get it. I'm already cranky in the mornings when I'm tired, and do not feel horny, but we have got into a habit of me waking her up by going down on her. She loves it, and I don't protest!:love:

Then we make love in the P.M also, which we both very much enjoy. It's our daily routine, and yet it still feels fresh and not in anyway mundane.

You must be appalled by her slutty lustful behavior! What kind of abuse or trauma must she have suffered? lol

 

I have a very strong sex drive. I am a 50 y.o. male and like to have sex about 4-5 times a week (whereas many of my contemporaries say once a week or less is fine by them) and until my mid 40's I was in the mood every day, but unless she was a world class beauty with a genius IQ and commanding personality I would never have wanted to be with a woman with such a pathological need for sex, because I couldn't trust her, knowing that eventually she would sleep with someone else.

I don't want to raise someone else's kids, don't want an STD and certainly wouldn't want to be home alone while my woman was out fucking someone else. And even if she had her tubes tied, always practiced safe sex and kept her other sex life to times I was at work I still wouldn't be ok with it because I couldn't stand the thought of the woman I love having such powerful experiences without me. i know you participate but I have no interest in seeing another man naked, especially if his cock is bigger than mine.


Just out of curiosity, how did you meet her? How long did you date before moving in together? Did you know she had a sex drive you couldn't satisfy completely before moving in with her?

I am sooo glad I never ran into a woman like that in my 20's/ early 30's but if I had, she probably would have destroyed me. Emotionally I could never have more than one woman I was intimate it with at a time and likewise could never tolerate being with a woman who wasn't the same. For me sex cannot occur without the hugging, kissing, snuggling without the smiles and pet names and phone calls and dinners out.

It sounds out of type but here I am, 6'2" 250 lbs, who played high school football, who likes to wear flannel shirts and jeans, whose favorite relaxation is to watch baseball, hockey and football while drinking beer and who has been a lifelong reader of Military and Political History and yet I get misty eyed while watching romantic comedies with my wife, I love Bollywood Musicals for their over the top love stories and I still send my wife flowers and occasionally write her a poem.

I am a world weary, cynical pessimist with a cranky personality who is moved by stories of people who do heroic things. I am, by heritage Irish Catholic but am an agnostic does not believe in life after death. I think most of the Bible is hokum yet thinks the Sermon on the Mount is the most important piece of ethical teaching there is, even more than the Eightfold Path of Buddhism. To me love is what redeems a cruel, hostile world. I love my wife ferociously, even when I am angry with her, irritated by her or disappointed by her. My greatest gift to her is to be always there for her, someone she always can count on, someone she can always trust. My only value to anyone is what I can do for them, whether for my family or at work (I NEVER call in sick because that would cause hardship to those who would have to shoulder my duties).

I know I represent a world view and set of opinions and attitudes which seems unpopular here. I have been that way my whole life. Some times when you hold a belief so strongly you need to let others know so no one can ever say you didn't try to set a better example. I know expecting everyone to try and find everlasting love and remain faithful until death is setting the bar very high, but it is by trying to reach the highest goal that we excel, not by giving in to every desire.

I love to eat but about six months ago began eating just once a day, Monday thru Friday as a way to maintaining self control. I have eliminated all fast food and junk food from my diet as well as anything with sugar, corn syrup, preservatives, hydrogenated oils, etc. I have stopped drinking soft drinks. Why do I mention this here? Because it is easy to reach for the Oreos or Doritos or go through the Taco Bell drive thru but by doing that we ruin our bodies and become slaves to our appetite.

Same thing with sex. I could fuck other women, satisfying my curiosity to see what their bodies look like naked, to feel how tight their pussies were, to taste the unique flavor of every woman's pussy, to watch and see how each woman sucks a cock. That would be easy. But the cost would be losing my wife, my kids, my home. It could mean contracting an STD or facing an unwanted pregnancy, it could mean getting into some weird co-dependent relationship.

By refusing to give in to that desire, I get to keep what is best in my life, avoid unwanted problems and by focusing all my libidinal urges on my wife I make the furnace of desire for her that much hotter.

Doesn't ANYONE get all this?

 

Hang on, buddy! I don't want to be caught in the middle of this! I can honestly see both sides of it. Both of you have made valid points. There might also be some cultural differences here, between Europe and America.

That being said, a flame war can be fun to watch. :boxing_smiley:
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We're just getting to know you as a new member, but you already remind me of some girls I knew in college. They were very interested in the wild side of life, but were hesitant to jump in and try everything right away. I don't blame you; there are risks and consequences to everything.

It's definitely a spectrum, and it can shift during your lifetime. I'm still mostly straight, but I'm more bisexual than I used to be.

That was a worst-case example. A guy who no longer has a dick doesn't have to be divorced and lonely.

You're comparing two things that are almost completely unrelated, serious relationships and casual sex.

Irrelevant. You just don't get it, and you probably never will. It doesn't matter; it has nothing to do with your life.

When I read this, I see excessive ego, lack of understanding of personality differences between people, and a compulsive need to control others. Not attractive qualities.

You've posted in this thread about your lifestyle of duty and obligation. Be careful that it doesn't make you bitter, angry, and resentful of others who have chosen a different path.

So...don't change anything! Who is asking you to change anything? If you like your life, just enjoy it! It's just that simple.

I have news for you, sex with her is going to be less exciting ten years from now than it is today, no matter what you do. That doesn't mean that you will need to dump her. Nobody is saying that.

And WE DON'T FUCKING CARE!!!! Your deeply held belief that no one thinks differently from you doesn't make it true.

Oh god, I've spent hundreds of posts telling that story! :rofl: It's been quite a ride!

It would be fine with me to just live with my current partner. He really wanted to get married, and there have been some legal/financial benefits.

I have never taken a vow to be monogamous with anyone.

That really crosses the line in terms of what should be tolerated in a public forum. It drags the conversation down to a lower level.

I could say equally nasty things about your personal qualities, but I won't. People can figure it out for themselves.

Not everybody has a problem with that.

I don't disagree with any of that, except for a slight personal preference for Buddha over Jesus. None of this has anything to do with your earlier points about monogamy. A polygamous Mormon family can have similar feelings about love.

YES! That's why some people only fuck those who are clean (willing to provide STD tests), trustworthy (I've known the other couple for years), and pro-abortion.

Nonstandard sexual relationships are for strong marriages, not weak ones.

Also, do you realize that your approach is somewhat homophobic? It allows no opportunity for bisexuality at all.

Keep talking, FX. You're giving me so much good material!

 

I was referring to your comment here:
"Considering all the different sexual things people can do together, I can't imagine living with somebody who was unable or unwilling to find a way to get me off. Having a nonfunctioning dick doesn't prevent a guy from becoming an expert on oral sex, hand jobs, and dildoes! A man who gives up and turns it over to somebody else is just a loser.

There's a huge difference between swinging and having an open relationship, especially of the kind being talked about in this thread. Most swingers are just having a little extra fun and adventure, not trying to compensate for a spouse's inadequacies. Partner swapping/sharing is fair, honest, and kinky.

My hubby and I only swap with one other couple. It's a closed group."

It's the same thing I've been saying all along. So if she has a problem with it coming from me, then she should also have a problem with it coming from you. Unless of course (as I stated before) she's also hypocritical in who she takes issues with.

BTW, according to Rachel I have no valid points.