I had a brief look into it(how could I not, it told me everything I wanted to hear); the PUA site, a few youtube videos. I must say though, that overall I am not one bit inspired and am none the better. I thought that some of the advice they gave was pretty shitty considering that they are the top pick up artist in the world. Quite frankly I believe I could give far better advice than they do,(even though I'm a virgin) by simplifying matters. "Stealth Attraction" is one for sale at the moment. Its got to be the biggest load of rubbish! I have no doubt it over complicates the shit out of things. I DO know that any thing I've learned so far, is from trial and error when actually flirting. Are these techniques actually any good? Surely its too good to be true.. especially when you hear sales ploys like "Using these special techniques that have never been revealed before, YOU will be able to bed a girl within an hour of meeting her". I mean these so called 'techniques'(if they do work) cannot always be applied to every situation, & even if they're good; the woman might immediately sense you're acting out of character. They then always tell us about how they were once socially inept with women too, so that you will relate to them. I believe that their techniques will only make a lot of young men say the right thing at the WRONG time, which is something that the PUAs don't account for. During an interaction.. while focusing on how to use the techniques, one might miss out on showing off his/her true uniqueness instead, and might lose track what the lady is saying. I've also noticed that these techniques are a bit unrealistic, and aren't something one could manage to pull off unless, they were a really cool guy already. Although there is alot of advice, it should only make nerds come to the conclusion of "now I understand why I can't get laid". And what about the cool guys.. the naturals with women, who don't look up this crap. Are they losing out. I'd imagine the bulk of successful womanizers out there don't even look up this stuff. Or at least they didn't in the 1990s.. they seem to cool to picture them doing that. It's also completely unspoken about(even amongst guys only). I've never heard anyone talk about it. It must be considered shameful to have to study how to pick up women. I don't whether women even know whether this stuff even exists or not, (I mean to the extent that it does). If they did, wouldn't they be laughing at us? Well ladies?? Because when ever I contemplate using these techniques with a girl, all I can think of is how much she'd laugh if she knew, or fear she'll see right through it,(which depending on the circumstances might be true). I just feel like a fake when I do, and because I feel like she somehow knows I find it hard to plant certain things amongst our conversations. Any of the girls I've shifted I have been able to do so just by being myself... NOT really by doing anything previously planned. If 50% of getting laid comes from having achievement, then the other 50% comes from having confidence. The confidence flows from having achievement. So why waist your time looking up "studying how fake being cool" when you could achieve something, and in the long run, you will naturally exhibit these "techniques" I know there's a few obvious tips and tricks one can use to his advantage, such as; by not showing her you're so obliged to her, ect, but apart from that, I have to ask: Is it just a load bullshit, is there any few things in there of use? I think, (and moreorless always did think) that its just a case of 'make the effort, if you want her', or 'you're either cool, or you're not', or that 'if you're not spontaneous/confident.. then you're just simply not spontaneous/confident'
just don't use the "revenge of the nerds" method to get laid. i never quite understood how that guy got the girl, instead of getting arrested for rape. i'm guessing you can't. especially after reading your other threads. well duh. you have to try them several times before they work. but the point is that they eventually will, assuming you do them right, whereas being an actual unique person often won't no matter how many times you try.
You avoided the main question the thread poses, and looked for an opportunity to make whatever nasty comments you could make. Why.. have you ever tried any techniques?
not really, i'm just stating what i've seen those PUA guys say. at least regarding the having to try several women part of it. the being yourself part of it is more my experience.
That means you sacrifice bedding several women just to see if a technique works, each time you get it wrong
Some women know about it, some don't. Some would laugh at you for it, others would understand completely and even relate. Something I think a lot of the PUA coaches miss is that girls like guys are all different and there is no one size fits all technique to picking them up. I don't think there is anything wrong with trying to better yourself in that respect it's like anything else, we're not all born suave.
No, but if I tried them and they didn't work, things wouldn't go pear shaped! Remind me Undies, why do you have a reputation beyond repute?
Did you seriously just make a thread trying to analyze PUA tactics? And place it in the "relationships" forum?? WHY?? :banghead:
That may be so... but you trying to analyze PUA tactics is like a blind man trying to color coordinate his own clothes.
It doesn't have to be that way. You obviously deal with one tactic at a time.. without over complicating things. Anyway, what's your opinion on PUA? That the benefits are exaggerated, that it does work, or somewhere in between???
Of course they're exaggerating, they are trying to sell you something. The advice they give is nothing special, but it isn't entirely false either, but it's not going to work 100% of the time. Like anything else, there's a target market they focus on and they cater to that. --- The truthful element in their advice is basically summed up to this: 1. Get your life together first (mentally as well as physically), worry about girls second. 2. Be fun, don't let rejection burn you too much, move on. 3. Don't be the sterotypical white knight, but don't be a jerk either. --- It's all advice that has technically already been said before for free right on these forums, the only reason people pay for this advice is because of the worldly idea that it's somehow more authentic since it comes from "experts" womanizers/players.
These PUA guys are definitely ridiculous. I keep getting emails from them now. In the last mail I got, he typed "got to go.. the girl I picked up is telling me to get off the pc" As if I'm going to fall for that.. they are so full of shit
I Got involved with PUA stuff when I was 20, I spent about 3 months reading and learning before I actually put it into practice. Honestly it works BUT : 1\ there are alot of snake-oil salesmen out there trying to make you buy their book/course. 2\ 90% of guys read it without understanding the underlying principles and the psychology behind it. Being Australian I found most of the American pickup lines would get you laughed out of the bar down here so I read TONS of usenet PUA material some of which dated back to the ancient messageboard days and when I had a firm understanding of the underlying concepts made my own plan. did it work ? I went from maybe 3-4 girls a year to 15 a year, and in terms of looks I went from getting 5-7/10's to always getting a 7/10+ ( and 2 tens :O ) so not as well as the book claimed but a definate improvement.
