Am I the only member who believes Jesus had kids?

No, Jesus never said He was only human. Jesus did say He and the Father were one. Jesus did say before Abraham was, I Am. That statement so angered the Jews they tried to kill Him. The reason being, when Jesus said, I Am, the Jews knew that Jesus was useing the name of God, yet speaking of Himself. The scolars you refer to are at the liberal end of the spectrum, and they donot consider the bible the literal work of God.

 

So they are scolars none the less...

 

As I have said many times before, Jesus was never a Temple Rabbi. The name Rabbi was also used to describe a teacher. Jesus was the teacher of teachers because what He taught, He also authored. There is no counterdiction. In the Old Testament prophecy it also mentions that when Christ would come to earth there would be know beauty in Him, that people would desire Him. You want Jesus to be what you want Him to be based on your own imagination, and not on facts. Facts are not important to you based on what I have heard you say on the other posts. So God will always be a mystery to you, because what you believe is based on your imagination.

 

Facts are few and far between to me. I agree, God will likely be an unknown to me, but I hope when I die that some of this total bullshit is made clearer. For instance, I have based each and every statement I have concluded, not on imagination, but on years of study. Facts are important to me, they are big red warning flags that mean the person is a totally closed minded and egotistical critic who is certain he knows things I don't. Well, you don't know anything is a fact unless you were there. He is called Rabbi, you dismiss that based on what? You are calling the bible authors liars. You totally bypass my other points, not at all a surprise, since they are based on biblical text and are a rational, critically examined and intelligently deduced conclusion as to the most probable reason for these oddities.
I hope that if the heaven is full of folks like you, I am not going there. It would be unbearable listening to the superiority complexes battling it out over whose 'facts' are the right ones.
At least I admit I am unsure. I am unsure Jesus ever lived...I believe he did, but by no means am I sure of it.
I do know one thing for a fact. You do not have a clue about my beliefs, and never can know them, cuz they are too broadminded and accepting of all the world's good, spiritual, righteous people of any faith, atheists and agnostics too. If these good Hindus, atheists, Buddhists, et al. are excluded from your fanciful storybook view of heaven, then I have been off the guest list since I was 11, when my mind developed to the point that I could see that it is total pomposity to claim only Christians will go. If so, I plain refuse, even if they invite me. My Muslim, Jewish, Sikh, etc. friends have to be let in too.
Or else I say that that silly, exclusivist, divisive kind of heaven, can go to hell.

 

As I told you before Jesus was not an official temple Rabbi. And I base that on John 7:15. And the Jews marveled, saying, how does this man have learning, having never studied? No man becomes an official Rabbi without years of intensive temple training and study. The people of the time knew Jesus did not have this training yet knew He had the knowledge. Jesus was not an official Rabbi for He never received any temple training. Yet the people called Him Rabbi because of His superior knowledge. How could a simple carpenter know more about God then the temple priest?

Also the idea that Jesus was the one who was married at Cana could not be. I base this on John 2:2. For you see, Jesus and His disciples were invited to attend the wedding. You donot invite someone to attened their own wedding.

I donot have a superiority complex, I simply believe the bible and have confidence that the facts written their in are true. You say we don't know anything is a fact unless we were there. I disagree, I believe there was a cival war in America, I believe there was a world war I, and a world war II.
I believe this based on written testimony, and other evidence. I believe the reason people donot want to consider the evidence of the bible is because
they donot want to believe the bible or worship the God it represents. So they willingly deny deny and deny. That way they can live their neutral lives and create their own moral standards, and in the end tell God they are not responsible for any decisions or actions they may have made in their life. As far a your broad minded beliefs, what your are broad minded to is what the bible describes as sin. You reject the truth of the bible, and open yourself to a truth that states that the life of an animal is just as important as a human life. So let the children die in the streets, but save the cows.

 

I disagree.
You criticize Hindus for valuing other fellow inhabitants of earth (cows), as no less important than themselves, and then you use that as cause for kids starving. Is that what you consider is the cause of 22 000 deaths of children every day? If not, I would love to hear your opinion on the reasons.

Bless you, hope you find all you seek.
Ken

 

So because we believe in equality, we believe cows are better than humans? That we would prioritise cows over humans? Because silly buggers like us believe in equality.

 

thanks for the well put defense of Hindus.
I doubt he will get your point, though.

thats okay, i hope you all find what you are seeking.

 

Aren't the Merovingians supposedly a family line of Jesus' Descendants via him and mary magdeline?

 

supposedly

the holy blood, holy grail series of books outlines one theory.

 

Before American's showed India how to increase their harvest, children did die of starvation as cows walked by them. Yes I criticize Hindus for letting children die because cows had more value. What 22,000 are you speaking of? Im sure you are not speaking about abortion, because you would not lift a finger to help save those kids.

 

Americans put cows above people too at one time, based on skin color
though i find abortion a necessary evil, and the foetuses to be unique individuals, I see a great difference between someone who is walking and talking, and someone who is still mostly undifferentiated cells without the awareness of their own death.
before Indian mathematics was adopted in europe, science was a Hindu/Muslim subject, since roman numerals dont work well for algebra.

 

never thought of that, thats very smart..

 

Here is a quickie of why cows are so important to the Hindu beleif system...
http://www.kamat.com/indica/culture/holy-cow.htm

BG13, love the sig quote...

 

People there should starve so cows can be equal?

 

why should cows die so we can eat?

 

God gave us both plants and animals to eat. When crops go bad, and there is hardly any food, starving for the sake of a cow is pointless. Being a vegetarian is fine, however, letting your child starve because you do not want to kill a cow is stupid. I love animals, but starving children over them is inhumane.

 

Doesn't it say in Genesis that the plants were created for human consumption, and fails to mention anything about animals being intended for our nourishment?

I would argue that killing animals unnecessarily is inhumane. But I agree with you -- survival of the fittest when ethics are infeasible.

 

see, thats why i posted the link to WHY the general concensus is "don't kill the cow"...i don't see why you keep on arguing....if you were looking for somehting to eat, would you eat your mother or jesus...

 

But we're supposed to eat him.. In a famine I would just ask jesus for communion. "Can I have some more of your blood and flesh pleeeaaasseee?"

But should jesus not be around and a cow in his place, I'd rather long term effects of the milk than short term effects of the flesh (and afterward no milk).