Psychedelic Bump XX

At the show, but upon double checking erowid I am reminded of the dose amounts. For some reason i was thinking a higher dose was needed, been a while since I took it and there are so many RC's lol. I was thinking it would be a high dose, but it seems like it would be an EPIC dose. I usually just take acid when partying at a concert, will probably not be taking 100mg.

 

^^you should triple check

30 or 35 mg would be a more appropriate dose for a concert. though i don't think i'd really wanna take 4aces in public.

 

Last time I took it I did not weigh it out (bad I know) but I was tripping for 10 hours, so it must have been allot. I was not afraid of an OD since it's basically mushrooms once it is in you.

 

yeah that's only a theory, for which there is not a lot of evidence.

 

That is true, no one is really researching these drugs. But it is structurally similar to mushrooms/DMT and I can not find any cases of people having health issues like with NBOME. And I know I have not had any issues other then ending up tripping for several hours.

When I trip, I like to really trip. As Terrance Mckenna said "If you take a psychedelic drug and are not afraid you did too much, you didn't do enough". But I realize this philosophy does not work for everyone. I only choose to take high doses once a drug has been in the community for a while. But of course the nature of a RC has more risk.

Like I said in general I prefer established drugs like LSD where we know even if you did a thumbprint you would be ok. I even have some mushrooms right now which you could call a more established drug similar to 4-aco, but for some reason my group was in the mood for something exotic.

 

my friend and i took ~150 ug LSD in the afternoon, drank some alcohol during the day (him more than me) and then dosed ~30 mg of 4-aco-dmt around midnight. he had a mini seizure, so i'd be careful mixing it with alcohol at least.

 

I don't drink, but that is true I have had heard of problems doing that. I just didn't consider that since I don't use alcohol. I am glad I double checked Erowid though. Once I made that post I began to think that sounded like allot. There are very few RC's that would require 100 mg, the number came as a suggestion from someone who has clearly used erowid less then me lately.

 

I have 2 batches, one is fumarate, the other freebase. For some reason the freebase is a weaker but somehow a more 'clean' feeling experience.
35 mg of the fumarate has put me pretty far out there, i've gone 50 with the freebase and not gotten quite as much from it. Set might be the variable though.
Just be safe and have an awesome time.

 

Bump for 1mg Etizolam trial. Will be exploring this compound for its hypnotic and anxiolytic effects. Do not plan on daily use, only as needed.

hits pretty fast, 30 mins, lots of muscle relaxation, sedation, and a subtle euphoria.

 

how does etizolam compare to kpin, xanax or valium?

 

Islands are always nice!
Enjoy yourself Voyage! I plan on taking a trip out to CA during the summer haha

Sounds very interesting! Did the rest of your trial go smoothly?

 

Bump for keeping my eyes open for LSD and 2C-B (particularly LSD). Do want. If my intent is out there perhaps I will come across it.

I'm also curious to hear about how it compares to true benzos (etizolam being an analogue).

 

Well it's quite an interesting molecule. Here's a quote from zoklet that covers some of its mechanism of action:

It was powerfully anxiolytic. Addition of cannabis which normally creates significant anxiety in me produced zero anxiety, even in a non-optimal setting of getting high. In fact disinhibition was noted at this dose. Muscle relaxant effects are the first to hit and are the last to leave, and are pronounced, it's got couch lock. Hypnotic effects were great as well, so SHORT term treatment of insomnia would work with this definintely (not long term as GABA agonists interrupt REM sleep).

Dosed at ~7pm last night, next day is noon and I'm feeling a touch groggy but nothing crazy. I think that I actually only need 0.5mg of this stuff for anxiety/sleep, it's nice and potent. I can only compare to lorazepam and clonazepam. compared to lorazepam its more clear headed, but more body heaviness. Clonazepam is still IMO superior to etizolam, clonazepam has very minimal cognitive impairment, minimal muscular effect, a strong anxiolysis and a wonderful euphoria to it. Interestingly this euphoria I am only aware of when doing clonazepam in the recent past, and when I was actually prescribed it ~6 years ago daily, for a year, I felt no positive effects from it.

 

you're not concerned that it's an SSRI and an SNRI?

so clonopin is the best benzo you think, writer? do you mean for straight up treatment of anxiety or for recreational use as well? my wife has a script for those i think.


and bump for a friend of a friend (and his friend) enjoying the 25i+25c. he texted my buddy less than an hour after dosing one blotter that he was "disappointed." well he heard back the other day, that he ate a 2nd blotter (shared some with another friend, i dunno how much) and went to the bar as planned. he said they had to hold onto the bar because everything was moving so much and that on the walk home the visuals were so strong that he almost walked into a police horse! he came face to face with the horse and still didn't see it, his friend had to stop him from walking into it. they told they cop "we're not driving tonight!" and then were on their merry way.

 

I haven't seen anyone selling 2c-b on the street, maybe I am not in the right circles. Did you try a good dose of shrooms yet?

 

I tried 40mg of hcl and will never do that much again, 30mg will probably be tops for me. I have never done anything as cosmic trippiness as 4 aces and the shivers and seizure like effects it gave me make me very cautious going forward.

 

Nah those effects are not strong and I am taking it 1-2 times a week if that.

Both recreationally and therapeutically. Lorazepam has an advantage for therapy in that it dissolves sublingually and is active in like 2-5 minutes. I have never tried Xanax or Valium.

LOL . . . 2 blotters and a BAR, that's hilarious. I was avoiding people on the peak of half a blotter Good thinking with the police horse. Wouldn't want headlines "MAN ON BATHSALTS TRIES TO KILL AND EAT POLICE HORSE, SHOT 19 TIMES"

I'm sure you explained very carefully to your friend to only take one, and that it takes a while to kick in. Not too long ago I gave my friend a few ~30mg MXE caps, and told him to try one and see what he thought. Well a few days later he tells me he ate one, didn't feel that high 20 minutes later, so he ate 2 more, and it was too much and he threw up. I facepalmed :daisy:

 

i told the guy "i'm sure [mutual friend's name] already told you, but i just want to be 100% clear...this is NOT LSD, this is NOT acid."
i also told him he should start with one hit, or less, and that it's not like acid where you can take a bunch of hits and be fine...you might die if you do that with this stuff.

 

This kinda of sounds like something halfway between a benzo and an atypical antipsychotic.

Did you get a script for it?

 

That's a huge part of the problem of illegality. Rather than have the basic substances (LSD, mescaline, psilocybin, MDMA, etc.) available in known strengths, we have unknown substances (a whole bleeding alphabet) in often unknown strengths. Disasters guaranteed.

I'm glad the RCs are available - actually it's AMAZING - but I doubt I'd be taking many if the classics were available.