Space, Time And The Conscience Mind

Discussion in 'Metaphysics and Mysticism' started by 73h_6r347_0n3, Jan 18, 2013.

  1. 73h_6r347_0n3

    73h_6r347_0n3 Member

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    Consciousness, the lost part of everything. I believe that without consciousness there could not be space nor time. They are all tied together. I believe the conscience mind can directly affect the universe, mostly unwillingly. I guess that I am saying that thought is the most powerful tool and least understood part of everything. in can create, it can destroy, if something is unknown does not not come into existence only when one thinks to find it? What does it mean to be conscience? Can any one answer that? How do we judge what consciousness is? Is it the difference between actions brought on by chemical processes verses those brought on by electrical impulses or is it a combination of both? Does all life have some level of consciousness or are we "humans" the only species that can exhibit it.
     
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    I think the mind is not very powerful, it's just a simpel biological tool we use to communicate. Without consciousness there would be space and time, just not someone or something to 'label' it as such.
     
  3. 73h_6r347_0n3

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    but with out the observer, would that which cannot be observed exist?
     
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    Sure, why wouldn't it?
     
  5. 73h_6r347_0n3

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    for there would be no one to know that it existed, i guess its more of a Schrodinger's cat in the box theory now that i think about it, it can be considered to be both existent and not existent, until there is something or some one to observe.
     
  6. 73h_6r347_0n3

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    but back to what i was trying to get at, there is a law i was going off that could tie consciousness into space time let me look it up
     
  7. 73h_6r347_0n3

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    I think i was trying to tie Consciousness in to this problem, and started to dwell into
    quantum consciousness and trying to think about the connection to space time
     
  8. Marie Claire

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    mind is power.
    you imagine... must belief
    It come.
     
  9. 73h_6r347_0n3

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    indeed mind is power, the power of thought can change the world, the ability to think comes from the conscience mind, ergo consciousness can change reality or something like that, i don't claim to know exactly what im talking about just thinking
     
  10. Bonkai

    Bonkai Later guys

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    You aren't the first to tie the two, and all who have either fail or don't have enough evidence to support their theory but conscientiousness itself isn't even understood yet. It also presumes humans have an meaningful understanding of the universe. According to physicist if we collected all the matter of the universe (including us and everything we see through a micro or telescope) put it on a scale - we approximately only understand 4% of that matter. We like to think of ourselves as intelligent but we're doing the judging of that, to think that our mere existence accounts for the universe is beyond hubris.
     
  11. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    If I remember correctly, and I could be wrong, in quantum theory the exact position or momentum of a particle can not be known until a measurement is taken. In Classic physics the exact position and momentum of an object can be predicted based upon previously made measurements. The act of verifying the prediction does not affect the prediction because large objects are being measured.
    But in quantum physics if we predict the exact position or momentum of a particle based upon previous measurements, and then attempt to verify the prediction we must impart energy to the particle when the measurement is made. Even though the amount of energy required to make the measurement is very small, the particle is also very small and the energy used in the act of measurement will cause the particle to deflect from its predicted position or momentum in a random manner along a probability wave function as described by the Schroedinger equation. It gives us a range of values that define where the particle will appear, or its apparent momentum.
    So the observation affects the outcome.
     
  12. 73h_6r347_0n3

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    Agreed Bonkai, though i never meant to say that humans are the only entities that exhibit consciousness, as i asked,
    Exactly Meagain! that is where i was bouncing off from when i started to think that thought is tied together with space time. thank you
     
  13. Emanresu

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    The question of how purposeful actions arise from physical systems has been solved. It is the computational theory of mind. The human brain is a computational device. Computation in the brain relies on chemical and electrical signals, and there is no logical difference between the two types. It is unknown how consciousness arises from such a system. I do not think we will ever know.

    That being said I would say that the physical, inanimate world exists even without observers. Consciousness arose after matter and energy, billions of years after probably.

    Also I don't see what is so earth shattering about the revelation that in attempting to determine the position or momentum of an electron the measurement process will alter one or both values. That seems to be a small effect.
     
  14. tastyweat

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    Have a watch of Amit Goswami's "The Quantum Activist".

    If consciousness is a basic state of matter, consciousness decides the outcome - it subconsciously and collectively picks from the probabilities.

    There is no interaction because it already "IS".

    Everything is part of consciousness :sunny:
     
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