I've heard a lot of crazy talk about bath salts in the media. They treat it like if you do it you WILL go crazy and be a danger to yourself and others. I've never done bath salts, but I think it's safe to say it's NOT going to make you go crazy. I mean, MDPV, mephedrone, and methylone they're all just stimulants. Anyone can go "crazy" if they're on a 4 day binge and sleep deprived.... it's called stimulant induced psychosis. Isn't meth just as likely to cause these violent outbursts? I think it's mostly the mentally ill people abusing this drug that causes stuff to happen. Why do 95% of the media report as if the drug actually turns you into a zombie? Are people dumb enough to believe this?
I think the media does exaggerate many claims regarding bath salts as they do drugs in general, however I did binge on MDPV and it took me uncomfortably out of my head and I have a fair amount of experience with stimulants and mind altering drugs in general. I could very well see someone not so familiar with drugs causing harm to themselves or others on that drug regardless of their overall mental state. Yes meth is prolly just as likely to cause psychotic episodes however the fact bath salts were (are) sold at headshops is what I think garners more attention from them. Mephedrone and methylone didn't seem to produce the psychosis factor that MDPV did in my experimenting, maybe a crappy feeling comedown at worst.
In my experience with MDPV bathsalts there was a serious psychosis edge and just a complete inability to sleep for days even off of small doses. There's something seriously off about that compound. But you're right that the whole media perception of the issue is completely ridiculous. It's willful ignorance and sensationalism.
The media here linked bath salts as M1 to a big M1 bust, they just say anything is bath salts now to make it sound worse. I've heard "smiles" linked to bath salts in the media, and its fucking 2ci.. My buddy worked at a head shop that sold mdpv, he got robbed constantly for it. He quit eventually because the people were getting so sketch.
I bought some daylights after I heard about the whole face eating thing and was very disappointed to experience nothing but extreme nasal burning. 420th post homeslices.
I don't think the media reports on bath salts are very unfair. I would only note that they often call the wrong designer drugs bath salts, and are overly sensitive towards bath salts-related crime in comparison with other drugs; but there is pretty good justification for that since they were not federally regulated. Which is fairly logical given that most dangerous drugs and a lot of less-dangerous drugs are. And it is only fair to agree that some of the bath-salts related crime has been extra sensational in and of itself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAtk5ht6wW8"]Scary Bath Salts PSA by US Navy Releases Awesome Dangers Of Bath Salts Video - YouTube I posted this alread,, It sounds accurate enough.. :mickey:
True shit . Fucking greedy mother fuckers that figure out about drugs that are cheap and legal to buy then flood convenience stores, gas stations, head shops, the internet etc. With some phoney ass bath salt -not legal for human consumption- type shit. Not even considering the evil they released to the masses in relation to MDPV. Then as a result of a Few Folks trying to strike it rich, then in the process make great drugs like Methylone and Mephdrone and MDPV illegal, drugs that folks in the know have loved for years with little to no media attention.
There were actually a couple of "zombie" attacks related to bath salts usage. It was all over the news.
The toxicology report of the most infamous one in Miami showed that the 'zombie' attacker had no bath salt chemicals in his system. Ive not heard any of those attacks having toxicology reports testing positive for the chemicals that they banned in bath salts. Don't take speculation you hear on the news as fact.
Yes, I have read it one day on the yahoo.com home page. That crazy guy that they shot dead because he wouldn't stop knawing off some guys face, had NOTHING to do with bath salts. There was no reason for them to speculate that bath salts had anything to do with it. It was literally a very good and successful attempt to give bath salts even a worse name.The funny thing is you heard taht story all over the news, but it wasn't publicaly annouced that this wasnn't the case. Besides that story I caught on the yahoo home page, I never heard anything else about the claim being retracted.
IMO the main danger with "bath salts" that caused all this shit is no-one knows the substance or dosage they're taking. The fact is almost all of the bath salts are strong stimulants, stuff like MDPV which is active in the single digit milligram range and where a little too much can be the difference between a nice fun time and seeing shadow people/not sleeping for 2+ days. When you cut this down but then don't disclose the ratio to which it's cut people are going to have dramatic overdoses. Have you ever seen someone after consuming an entire gram of Mephedrone with little/no tolerance? Or after snorting 300mg of PURE pharmaceutical Amphetamine? If you have you'll know they look just like these people, spazzing the fuck out, acting completely crazy, shouting, screaming, and generally looking like the complete lunatics the drug classes told us all drug users were like. Now take the bath salt, lets give three non-existent example brands which I'll just call A, B and C for simplicity's sake. For reference I'm going to say a good dose of MDPV is 10mg, since that's what I've found with pure MDPV to be the case: Brand A: 1g of powder contains 20mg of pure MDPV, meaning roughly 500mg is one good dose for one adult with no tolerance Brand B: 1g of powder contains 100mg, meaning roughly 100mg is one good dose for one adult with no tolerance Brand C: 1g of powder contains 250mg, meaning roughly 40mg is one good dose for one adult with no tolerance Now if someone is used to sniffing brand A and suddenly buys brand C one week, they hoover up their 500mg and they've just taken 8.5 doses, 125mg of MDPV.. It's almost certain they're going to be sent directly into delirium and psychosis, seeing people and objects that aren't there, experiencing immense crazy paranoia, possibly violence and severe mood swings, and doing some crazy crazy shit that they'll for sure regret later. The same also happens if mr street drug user comes and buys brand C, he racks up a big line and he's fucked.. or hell, if someone starts redosing. With MDPV for example you should really wait at least 1 hour 30 or 2 hours before redosing, or it quickly descends into psychosis.. if people are used to coke and do bumps every 30 minutes it's almost inevitable they'll end up in the psych ward before their stash runs out. Now I think what people don't realise is the exact same shit would happen with Meth or Adderall or Cocaine or Ritalin or Methylone or any of the stimulants we know and love - overdoses of dopaminergic stimulants == psychosis, simple as that.. The real danger here is the unknown element. If the law wasn't in the way, all the bath salts would be more happy to say "1g of powder contains 50mg of MDPV, do not dose more than 150-200mg in one go, do not consume more until 2 hours have passed" and less people would get hurt, but for the most part bath salts don't even list how much you should take or what's in them, it's crazy. MDPV is not some demon drug that makes you eat peoples faces. People really need to realise just how potent some of the stimulants out there are, there's stuff like 2-DPMP where even a dose of like 2mg can be strong in some individuals. It's not about this being media propaganda either, the fact is people have done these sorts of things on bath salts, but it's not the drug that's the problem it's the unknown element leading to people dosing WAY WAY WAY too much. I've heard there are even some bath salts that are 50%+ MDPV by weight, and people have ended up consuming 300-400mg+ MDPV in one dose, crazy shit. It doesn't matter whether you have a branded salt or a pure chemical or whatever, ALWAYS start low and titrate your doses up.
RoyalTramp I enjoyed reading your post as it was very well written and thought out. I agree with what you're saying with one exception: redosing/overdosing is an unfortunate side effect inherent to MDPV. I agree PV is not an evil drug and it in no way caused anyone anywhere to do something as silly as eat someone else's face off. However, the compulsion to redose (even in individuals who fully understand what they are doing) is extremely strong. In my opinion this makes mdpv a dangerous drug even to those who fully understand the risks involved. I believe this because mdpv (especially if vaporized or IVd) is probably the most compulsive drug thats currently widely available (some super rare RCs that very few people know about could potentially be even worse If they ever get distributed) .. the only drug i know of to be more compulsive is crack cocaine though some people I know, whom have had addiction problems to both, swear MDPV is worse than crack due to the fact that they can get through the complusive state of crack much quicker than with mdpv (crack is more compulsive and has a better rush but the come down period, where the user feels most compelled to do more, is much much shorter in duration) I've known and personally watched far too many individuals completely loose control with mdpv. Come to think of it, I don't know anyone personally who can start using mdpv and then stop completely while they still have some left. I'm sure there are people who can but those people are rare. I've also NEVER seen anyone try vaporizing it and then not completely go bonkers due to obsessive redosing. I'm not arguing with you because I agree with everything your saying but I disagree that the main danger of mdpv is that it often impure. Yes this leads to people overdosing when they get a stronger than usual batch, however, I've seen more people have problems with the compulsive/addictive aspect of mdpv (knowing full well what they were getting themselves into) then I know of people screwing up the dosage from an unknown product (And those who do make this mistake only make it once then they learn to be more careful whereas i.I know far too many people who cannot control themselves once they start using mdpv Again).
