I never got that statement either. It is quite obvious to me time exist outside of just our human minds as well.
The time we know isn't real, it was invented (I think) when humans discovered agriculture, then we used it to be able to manipulate the shit out of people. But this is what i can't get my head around; We have memorys of the past, we don't have memorys of the present or future so this could mean that memorys take a physical form. Sorry if you don't understand what i'm saying i'm not too good in english haha
Here is an interesting definition of Time by Mystic Osho from India, Performing samyama on the present moment, the moment gone, and the moment to come brings kwoledge born of the awareness of the ultimate reality. What is time? Now Patanjali asks the timeless question, the perennial question and he comes to it at the very end of Vibhuti pada because to know time it the greatest miracle. To know what time is, is to know what life is. To know what time is to know what truth is. Before we enter into the sutras, many things have to be understood; they will become an introduction to the sutras. Ordinarily what we call time is not real time. It is chronological time. So remember that time can be divided, classified, in three ways. One is "chronological," another is "psychological," and the third is "real." CHRONOLOGICAL TIME The chronological time is clock time. it is utilitarian; it is not real. It is just a belief agreed upon by society. We have agreed to divide the day into twenty-four hours. It is very arbitrary that the earth moves in one complete circle on its axis in twenty-four hours; Then we have decided to divide each hour into sixty minutes. there is no intrinsic necessity to to divide it that way. Some other civilization may divide it in a different way. We can divide the hour into a hundred minutes and nobody is going to prevent us. Then each minute we have divided into sixty seconds. that too is arbitrary, just utilitarian. It is clock time. It is needed; otherwise society will fall apart. Something as a common standard is a necessity--just like money, currency money. A hundred -rupee note, a ten dollar bill, or anything else--it is just a common belief that the society has agreed to use. But it has nothing to do with existence. When man is not there on the earth, clocks may go on chiming time, but it will not be time at all. Nobody will bother, nobody will look at them. Clock time will stop immediately if man is not there; so it is man-created, a social by-product. The higher a society moves--and when I say "higher" I mean the more complex it becomes obsessed with chronological time, A primitive man has no use for a watch. If you present him a watch, he will be simply puzzled, for what? What is he going to do with it? a civilized man cannot live without a watch. It is almost impossible to live in a civilized society without a watch because the whole society runs acording to the watch, even sometimes to ridiculous states. Once the chronological time is taken too seriously then one forgets everything else. The whole West is obsessed with time too much. Everything has to be done on time. In England you hear expressions like "teatime", "dinnertime", "lunchtime." With chronological time, the world of the expert has come into existence, becasue you have lost your roots into reality. For everything you have to ask somebody, people come to ask how do they feel. How you are feeling you have to know. But I understand. The touch the contact, the connectedness with reality is lost. Even how you are feeling you have to go ask somebody who knows. You have to rely on somebody else. This is unfortunate ,but it has happened in slow steps and humanity has not been aware. CHRONOLOGICAL TIME IS NOT BEING USED NOW. IT IS NO LONGER A MEANS; IT HAS ALMOST BECOME AN END. Remember, it is false time. It has nothing to do with reality. PSYCHOLOGICAL TIME DEEP DOWN FROM IT, JUST UNDERNEATH IT, IS ANOTHER TIME WHICH IS NOT REAL, BUT MORE REAL THAN THE CHRONOLOGICAL TIME; that is psychological time. There is a clock, biological clock, within you. More than men, women are alert to it. they will also not be alert for very long because they are trying in eveyway to imitate men. Still their body functions as a clock. Psychological time is your inner time; and we live in the chronological time altogether ,the Greenwhich time--it is not personal. Psychological time is personal, and each has his own. If you are happy, your sense of time slows down. If you are not unhappy, time lengthens. If you are deep in meditation time stops. In fact in the East we have been measuring states of mind through time. If time stops completely, then the state of bliss. If time slows down very much, then the state is of misery. The psychological time is personal. You have yours, your wife has hers, your son his, and all are different. that is one of the causes of conflict in the world. Man has moved to chronological time; the woman lives in psychological time still. The child lives in a totally different world. the child has his own psychological time, completely unhurried, almost in a dream. He cannot understand you, you cannot understand him. You are far apart; there is no way to bridge. When an old man is talking to a child, he is talking from another planet--it never reaches the child. The child cannot see why there is so much hurry, for what? Psychological time is absolutely personal. That's why chronological time has become important, otherwise where to meet, how to function, how to be efficient? If everybody comes to the office at his own feeling, then it is impossible to run an office. If everybody comes to the station at his own time, the trains can never leave. Something arbitrary has to be fixed. The chronological time is history, and the psychological time is myth.That is the difference between history an Myth. In the West history is written, in he East Myth. The truth is never news because it is always there. It does not happen; it has already happened. Untruth is news. You will not find more futile and superficial people than journalists. they have a knack for finding out useless things. Journalists are impotent politicians. Politicians make news; journalists collect news. Journalists are like shadows to politicians. That's why newspapers are full of politicians; from this end to that, from the begining to the end, just politics, politics, politics. A journalist is one who has failed in making news, now he collects them. THE CHRONOLOGICAL TIME CORRESPONDS TO THE BODY, PSYCHOLOGICAL TIME TO THE MIND, REAL TIME TO YOUR BEING. One has to pass through the psychological. that territory has to be passed fully alert. you should not make yur abode there. It is a bridge to be passed; you should not make your abode there. If you make yur abode there you become mad. that's what has happened to many who are in madhoues. They have forgotten chronological time, they have not reached real time ,and they have started liing in the bridge, the psychological time. A madman lives in a private world, and the man you call sane lives in a public world. the public world is just confined to yourself; but the real world is neither public or private. It is universal, it is beyond both. And one has to go beyond both. The primitive societies live in the psychological time. The East has lived in the psychological time; the West lives in the chronological time. If you move farther into the primitive societies hidden behind the hills and the forests ,deep, you will see the live abolutely in psyhological time. there are a few primitive societies in which dreams is more important than reality, and the first thing a child has to do before breakfast is to relate his dream to his elders. The first thing is psychoanalysys. The dream has to be related to his elders before brerakfast , and they all gather together and they analyze the dream. And then they tell the child to do something, because the dream is symbolic and it shows that something is needed to be done. EXISTENTIAL TIME And the third is real time, existential. The real time is no time at all, because the real time is eternal. Time, real time--is not a process. it is simultaneity. Future, past, resent are not three separate things; it is eternal NOW, it is eternity It is not that time is passing by your side Time IS, it is not a process. If you can see time through th eyes of SATORI ,samadhi ,time dissapears. But this is the last miracle; after it there is only KAIVALYA ,liberation. When time dissapears, everything dissapears because the whole world of desire ,ambition, motivation is there because of the wrong conception of time. time is created; time as a process--past, present, future--is created by desiring. This is one of the great insights of the Easter sages: that time ,the process is really a projection of desire. Because you desire something, you create future. And because you cling, you create past. Because you can no longer leave that which is no longer before you ,and you want to cling to it- you create memory. One who has come to know the ultimate., becoming aware of time. When time dissapears and eternity surrounds you ,when time is no longer a process but a pool of energy, eternal now then you become capable of entering into things and of knowing without definitions from the outside. Real time is existence ,science and religion. Science is trying to penetrate the existence through the objective approach; and religion tries to penetrate thesame reality through the subjective approach; and yoga is the synthesis of both. FROM: YOGA: THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA, VOL.9 #7. Osho
Two men who couldn't read or write, and definitely could not tell time, met on the street for the first time, while waiting for the bus and started a conversation. The first man said " Nice day today, I am just waiting for the bus. I am out shopping for a gift for my wife, its her birthday tomorrow" The second one said, "Yes, it is a great day. And it is very nice of you to buy a gift for your wife for her birthday. My birthday was today, and a friend gave me a wristwatch as a gift." "Hmmm. That was nice of him.....so, what time is it now?" asked the first man. The second man looked at his new watch, but didn't say anthing, he just stretched out his arm to show the first man the time. "Oh, so it is. Yep, sure is." said the first man.
I think of consciousness as being timeless---but then I too am an essentialist (believe that being arises from essence (i.e. spirit or consciousness) rather than being arising from existence (materialism). A photon does not experience time. We understand that a photon emerging from a star 200,000 light years away, formed 200,000 years ago, flew across space at the speed of light and then entered into my eye just now. But to that photon, it was created within the star, and within the same simultaneous instant hit its destination on the retina of my eye. Years ago, I read Fred Alan Wolf's book, Parallel Universes, the search for other worlds. It is a incredible book---a real mind trip. It got me contemplating such things as----could the speed of time be the speed of light? Not by human perception, of course, but based on the fact that quanta vibrate at the speed of light. Recently I have read that it has been mathematically shown that mass is an illusion----light energy originating in the zero-point field faced with inertia. This makes sense of what I think Wolf wrote--the quanta that make up the matter of our physical universe are not photons (or wave/particles) zooming across the universe, they are trapped in place--which is why they vibrate rather than move in a straight line. Anyway, I will not argue over whether spirit is greater than the physical reality in this thread----If you want to see my arguments, check out the thread on whether consciousness is emergent or a priori----I've only joined that argument within the last month or so...
