Value of life.

Life is invaluable but cannot be saved only spent. In the spending, it is not consistently valued.

 

We created our value system. To us it seems to not be very valuable...lots of people killing each other and themselves, both in various ways. If life doesn't mean much to us...how much do you think its worth in the grand scheme of the universe?

 

It is valuable only for ourselves as individuals. As for the whole, it doesn't matter.

No one says that we should start killing everyone, but realise what is true.

We definitely shouldn't force anyone to work hardly and efficiently, but I think it is bad that Darwinian processes doesn't apply to us anymore. We should let stupid and weak to die/kill themselves. As far we are killing our own species by letting bad genes go into next generation.

I don't want to offend anyone here, I myself would also die already if there were no medications, but I think that this is how it should be.

We shouldn't 'cleanse' anyone, we should let them cleanse themselves.

Universe was there without humans and will be when we dissappear.

Creating imaginary view that someone is valuable doesn't solve anything.

Also take a look at this scenario:

Guy feels that he and noone is valuable. He starts killing others. He thinks this is important.

And another one:

Adolf Hitler

You see, I'm not devaluing it, because it has no value in first place. If something does matter to single person, then it doesn't matter.
And as I said before.

No one says that we should start killing everyone, but realise what is true.

It still has value just for you and your children. If you and them would dissappear, nothing would change.

Modern societies.

Completly nothing.

Why?

 

Because there is no metric standard and you can choose your own values.

 

You're thinking of the universe within the constraints of time, though. Fact is the universe isn't here without humans and there's no reason to assume that it could be here without humans. I think a safer assumption is that it couldn't, since it isn't. Since there's no reason to assume it could be here without humans, there's a good possibility that we're very important.

There is a lot of killing, dehumanizing, and disregard for human life, but our society certainly doesn't function as though life was not valuable. People dedicate their lives to our security, and we all accept that our ultimate goal is to create a peaceful world. The people who don't are the exception, not the rule.

 

I think this summarises the problem.
Life is invaluable, but not in positive meaning, like priceless or negative, like worthless. You can't measure value of life as you can't measure length of light. You can only measure things that you do in your life.

Therefore value of life can't be measured, but value of your actions can.

Still you could argue what is good or bad, or that there is no good or bad, there are just things that happen, but I think it is not the point here.

 

This is very selfish thinking in my opinion. If we don't see a tree it means it doesn't exist? Universe IS here without humans. It is there billiards of light years away, that far that we are not able with our technology to see it yet. We are just a small little piece. A small atom in the whole. Thousands of years we exist is just a blink in the scale of universe. We just appeared in the world for a little while and we will dissappear unnoticed.

You are working your whole life for some politicians to be extremely rich. You are being lied to everywhere. Everyone tries to take advantage of you. They tell you that you are worth something just so you will feel good and keep doing what you do. World is bad and cruel and most of the society is living in a imaginary bubble of safety. Do you think that lock in your doors makes you safe? No. Do you think if someone randomly killed you and wasn't stupid enough to leave traces would be caught? No.

Who?

No, the ones that want to create a peacefull world are the exception. Most of the people care only about their own bussiness. In most cases only those are becoming rich, and those rule countries.

You are being owned by a country. You have nothing. You have house? It is not yours! They can take it anytime. You have land? It is not yours, you only rent it from the country. You think you have rights? No, you only have privileges that can be taken away from you any time.

 

Flyingfly

You mean was. :-D

You've noticed we've appeared in the world! A good beginning! ;-D

 

Argh, back to trees again?! Being small isn't the same thing as being insignificant, though. I'm not being selfish. I'm just trying to be empirical. The universe isn't here without humans, if you consider it as a whole. I guess it's just a matter of opinion whether or not the universe itself is significant. I think it is. I mean, why should you say a human being is not significant and say the universe is significant? I think having a life is much cooler than just being large, though I also think the universe itself is alive.

I don't believe a word you're saying. You just want me to feel small and afraid. That's what bullies do. And maybe you can relate to bullies, but I can't, and, sorry, most people can't. We have the power.

 

He's not trying to bully you.. societies bottom line is deception, whether it's been planned that way or not.

I think you've seriously overlooked something, because if people didn't only care about their businesses/becoming rich.. do you think there'd be so many homeless in <insert nearest big city here>

We do have the power, but nobody wants to use it cos the iPhone 5 just came out, and then bills on top of that, and then we've gotta get the car repaired, and then there's the business trip next month that's gonna pay for all of that, and then Lady fucking Gaga is coming to town and we just HAVE to see her!

Fuck off homeless guy, I don't have time for you... gotta get in line for my starbuck's so I can keep working hard to pay for all of this bullshit.

The majority of people are too busy doing pointless shit to even understand the most basic and fundamental of human emotions.. and peace can't come out of turbulence

 

i think life has great value because it exists! surround yourself with loved ones and you will feel great/valuable.

 

Life has value; death also has value.

Both are necessary.

 

So you're saying we lose? That's losing, when you become the enemy. When you start telling people that their emotions don't count just because they're simple minded. You think some dumb girl that plays with Barbies doesn't get hurt when someone calls her ugly? This isn't a cartoon. These people aren't caricatures. The dumb girl sees Barbie and thinks, "I'm gonna be someone pretty." And then somebody tells her she's a dumb asshole. How do you think that feels?

 

I agree! humans are slaves bottom line. now some of those slaves can be perfectly happy with living menial, pathetic lives repeating the same routine over again but others realize the rigged game, they don't have it so easy maybe, time to go away. ease the pain, mental or physical. and for other slaves to sit there and say, wow how selfish! is the problem in itself, humans are so narrowminded, even the ones who claim to be open minded(liberals) the point here is suicide is a unique part of life, people who most of them have thought it through. these are bright people. they aren't dummies, they are only dummies through the eyes of their peers. suicide is a rare and beautiful moment I believe.

 

verminous plague:

It's a unique one at least. Death has never been, and never will be beautiful. Humans are not slaves at bottom though they are always subject to themselves.

 

Raga Mala:

Deaths value is its necessity?! How would you know?

How is death necessary to life? Life isn't even necessary in itself, only desirable! :-D

 

Nah I never said anything about losing, you can't lose at this game. You can just deprive yourself of the possible rewards.

I'm definitely not the enemy, at least I don't mean to be.. I'm just helping to point out the facts. It doesn't have to be like this, but it is.

As for the Barbie thing, I totally agree. Probably feels shit, but the "dumb girl" always has a choice to ignore the comment, or realise that if she's not that pretty it's not gonna happen, or that it doesn't really matter to be that pretty in the first place and she's being sold a concept of beauty that can't exist without vast amounts of money and cosmetics..

 

There's the rub.

Because what is 'true'?
Truth is on one level, that there are only individuals. Ideas such as society, race, religion etc. are mental constructions of some individuals after the raw sensory data of existence in a human body.

 

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I wasn't arguing for the side that says it's worthless. Money is thrown away metaphorically and literally and it still has value too, I understand that. I believe that humans are just matter manifested into a different form than the rest of it. Matter to Energy converters. A different form of matter, nothing more. Nothing less.

"Our ultimate goal is to create a peaceful world" that's full of shit. I want a peaceful world, I'm willing to believe that it's your interest as well. However, exceptions in rules make the rules themselves. Whether that change is dramatic or minor and if there are people who are going to continue to dispense of life because it benefits them alone, I'd say we have a long way to go on our way to being factually sacred or valuable in the grand scheme of things.

Just my opinion brah

 

Thank you, Gordon Gecko. What have you "achieved " today that should make us want to keep you alive.