Proof god exist!

These were done by humans. God made the destiny.. He knew if he created people the way He created them, in a world such as this, given all the reasons the were/are given in a certain time, in a certain place, with certain people in certain circumstances they will act as he Knew. though He made destiny, knowing everything is to happen in advance, He created us and all. no choice to exist in this age, past or future, but with a will to act, to be good or bad!

 

How was that proof? I could say that about any number of ridiculous things. Your faith that something exists does not equate to it existing.

 

True, it doesn't equate!

But it is the same as you believe you have a soul and a mind.. there are signs,
the same goes for believing in God, there are signs!

 

There are no signs. Coincidence does not equate to proof.

 

What Coincidence?! our existence? the univers'?

I believe physicists would not agree!

Try this on Youtube: Evidence of God: Physics

 

Youtube...the authority on all things....


Not.

 

It helps you understand things

besides, if you don't like youtube for some reasons, just ponder it yourself,

Look at your being, your body system, earth, moon, sun, life on earth, your place among the creatures on earth, do you really think all that is a coincidence?!
Coincidence chose to us to be created with every thing the way we are?
the only type of coincidence known in this universe!!

 

Why is ascribing value judgement to things bad, and how do you want to do it other way?

You know what I meant. I meant bacterias and viruses which can harm us. Not all of them.

You on other hand, could stop nagging how bad I am and tell your version.

Did not work + what do you expect psychedelics to do? Change ones mind?

Your whole post didn't brought literally anything to the discussion. Instead writing bullshit you could write something valuable. I love how you describe me as myopic, egocentric, with miniscule morals. You don't know absolutely nothing about me, yet you are first to judge and put yourself higher.

Maybe problem is in your mind not mine?

 

Excellent example of course :2thumbsup: God is not an evil bastard because we suffer. Creation is here for us to experience, I'm pretty thankful for that. Yes it sucks if your life is tainted by grief and yes, we didn't asked to be born but if there wasn't a universe you would experience nothing at all.

 

I think he made a great point, that's why I quoted it. Always tricky to speak of someone elses version but he just seems to be saying that the good and bad you talk about is of our own viewpoints, not of a God. So judging things as good and bad (which is not bad by definition, and I didn't get it out of his post that noxious does thinks so) is handy indeed but it is not the state of the universe but your perception of it. Yes, cancer is always bad for you but in the greater scheme of things (not talking about some divine plan, just thinking outside of the box that is your own viewpoiint) is it bad that people die of cancer? Only for the people themselves.

 

Never said it was bad, or good, it's just something that only humans do.
To try and use such valuations that are only relavant and meaningfull to humans as a means of ascribing moral value to non-human things/events is just naive.

Maybe you don't know what anthropocentric means, look it up then maybe you will comprehend my statement better.


Beyond that I think Asmodean answered you fairly well on my behalf.
thanks Asmo. :cheers2:

 

Oneheartt, you seem like a genuine person who has real faith. For that, you should be admired. I have always thought that those with real faith were to be congratulated.

But you should understand a few things.

Faith does not equal evidence, let alone proof. It matters not how many people share that faith, because evidence is still lacking.

The fact that there are so many different religious beliefs, each clamouring to be the "one true faith" worshipping the "one true God" is confusing at best. And which of the holy books is the correct one? The original Dead Sea Scrolls? The Talmud? King James Bible? Q'uran? Book of Mormon? Those are merely a few of the sacred texts. There are many others relating to other faiths or denominations, some worshipping an Abrahamic God and some not.

As a consequence, religions fight. Over the centuries of recorded history God is alleged to have told hundreds of leaders to have started wars in His name. It's hard to see, from a perspective of logic, why that must be.

There is so much injustice and suffering in the world. I had an aunt who was literally one of most wonderful people you could ever meet. A good Catholic, churchgoing, kind, gentle and honest. She married, had 2 daughters, and then developed cancer, dying in her early 40s and leaving her children motherless. Why? What sort of all-powerful deity does that? And that's a minor tragedy; every day there are hundreds of events that are sadder and more bewildering.

I respect faith. I don't try to convert those who have it. But when you try to use science ('prove") in aid of faith, you actually weaken faith.

Faith is belief in the absence of evidence. Proof is not only not needed, it should be eschewed.

Just my 2c.

 

We live in a materialistic society with no real spiritual rule behind us to guide us. I don't believe that anyone can say they are spiritual to the point it guides their everyday life. Especially anyone on this board. We hide behind religion thinking god is going to come down and save us, but if I remember right he kicked us out of the GOE because we didn't listen to him. So if you think he is going to save you I am sorry to tell you, you are SOL. We live in this suicidal age where everyone expects an end. Maybe god would be more susceptible to help us if we helped ourselves.

 

Since this is not in the christian subforum perhaps we can think outside of that box. God can be much more than the judge of right and wrong. Especially if you can't believe anything from the bible why focus on only that god in this thread right.

 

Proof God exists? Repugs lost!

 

When good things happen it is prove there is a god and when disaster strikes it is obvious the proof of god's existence was invalid

 

Everything has a source... Nuff Said

 

I think god is within us all and if you expect an external god to help you... hmmm.If we would live as we (humans) were meant to live (helping one another,money isn't the answer in life,etc),most would relate to a god somewhere!

 

Everything having a source doesn't mean it's concious but it does prove it exists.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo8eFZe5UCU


Catholic priest saying God and JESUS do NOT exist

subtitles are in Spanish