Lets talk about Holy Spirit

That is not what I said but it is how you have interpreted what I said.
God is the creator. The son of god is gods creation. The holy spirit is the communicative aspect of god in creation, the teacher of god and man.
Spirit means breath.

 

What is the purpose of your question or what point are you trying to make?

 

I agree in a sense. God is the creator. Jesus is only begotten son and the Holy spirit is Gods active force

This is all according to the Bible

 

Except I didn't say jesus was god's only begotten son.
God is not a womb, god is not a sperm cell, god is creator.
I said god's son is gods creation.
Jesus said when we pray, our father.

We are all created in the likeness and image of god.

 

If Jesus was the Archangel St. Michael, why did he not come right out and say it?

How can anything have the personality traits of God without being God. Everything else created has limits (for example, cannot love mankind as God loves mankind), but God does not have limits (except that which is contrary to his nature).

 

Why would you assume that?

Just reading this, using common English usage, one would think that God was talking to someone else at the time, like his Son Jesus who is described as standing at his right hand, rather than a description of some kind of three in one God-head where he is more like a schizophrenic with three personalities in his being that he is carrying on a conversation with.

The wording between Genesis 1:26 and Matthew 28:19 is quite different and is not at all similar.

Just because three things are mentioned in the same sentence does mean that they are being spoken of in "equal terms".

In English the phrase "see him that sent me" would indicate two persons, a sender and a sent one, and that the sent one represents the one who did the sending and not that the sender and the sent one are the same person.

I’m not sure what you mean by connects but it would seem that what is already connected would not need connecting.

In any case, the Scripture is not for connecting, it is a warning about being misled by false teachings. There are many false spirits and the Scripture is giving a “litmus test” to tell if the spirit is true or not and that is whether the spirit confesses Jesus Christ as having come in the flesh or not.

 

To what purpose? Oh, by the way, I was also called the "Archangel St. Michael". Jesus came to talk about the Kingdom of God and whether he was the "Archangel St. Michael" is at best a minor point. Whether he was God or not, would seem to be a major point of discussion, yet he never said he was.

Well Genesis says we were created in God's image and thus have God's personality traits, yet we are not God.

Also if you saying that we are talking about limits, then is it is interesting to note that Jesus had the limit of not knowing the "day and hour" and that "only the Father" knows.

 

This question was more rhetorical. According to MyLee, if Jesus was a person of the Godhead, he should have said so in plain language.

I merely pointed out that is Jesus was the Archangel Michael, why did he not say so that people may know who he was and therefore point to who God is.

Do not get me started on what Jesus said plainly *cough*True Bread*cough*

I read once that Jesus' walking on water and other miracles does not point towards his divinity, but to his humanity (Peter walked on water and many others performed miracles).

Jesus has limits as Jesus, but not as the Son. In the Incarnation, Jesus emptied himself (as the Philippian Hymn states).

 

One of the reasons he should have said so was that the people he was speaking to had no concept of their God being a Trinity or Godhead to them those were what they considered to be pagan religious beliefs and so for them to understand these "new truths" they would need a whole lot of very straight forward, plain language explanations.

As I said, his being the Archangel Michael is not a major teaching but as for saying who he was, he many times in straight forward, plain language said, I'm the Son of God but he never said I am God.

What do you mean by that?

True, the purpose of miracles was never to show divinity but to show God's approval of those who performed them and ofttimes showed a new direction for God's people.

Philippian Hymn?

Even as the Son he still has limitations.

 

Phillipians 2:5-11
5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,[a] 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

OlderWaterBrother Quote:
Originally Posted by Lynnbrown
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The wording between Genesis 1:26 and Matthew 28:19 is quite different and is not at all similar.
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I quoted from the beginning of my original post and then OWB's in order to address just this one aspect. My reason is that, to me, everything else OWB stated in this particular post (#26) is merely his opinion and his interpretation, just like what I wrote is my opinion and my interpretation...except for this one single thing.

I did not mean to imply that Gen. 1:26 and Matthew 28:19 were even similar whatsoever in wording. I was refering to MY OWN WORDS just previous to my reference to that particular scripture. I MEANT (and that 1st quote is above) that in Gen. 1:26 when it was stated that "man was made in our image", I THINK He (God) was refering to God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. Reference to the trinity IS used in Matthew 28:19..."Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost".

If someone is going to take my words apart, it should at least be done in context.

 

Thanx but still, Philippian Hymn?

 

Well, again you keep stating things that are not in evidence.

The word trinity is never used in the Bible, period.

Genesis never mentions God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, the word "our" is used and any assumption that it is talking about a "trinity" or "Godhead" (also never used in the Bible) is just that an assumption.

Likewise, although Matthew 28:19 mentions the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, there is no mention of "God the father", "God the Son" and "God the Holy Ghost" or "trinity" or "Godhead" and saying it refers to the trinity is an assumption of something not in evidence.

Sorry if you feel someone took your words out context but here is what you said:

And so, no, the exact words used are "baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" not "baptizing them in the name of "God the Father, God the Son (Jesus) and God the Holy Spirit"". At least when I offer my opinion and my interpretation I don't substantially alter the wording of the Bible to try and make a point.

 

Am a little bit confused, if Jesus is God and the Holy spirit is God too and still there is one God so who the God? am confused!!!!

 

Welcome to the club of those trying to figure out what in the world Trinitarians are talking about.

 

I am sorry. This goes back to my undergrad days. Among a fair number of scholars, the thought is that this passage is a early Christian hymn quoted by Paul.

 

Thanx, had no clue.

 

Is it possible that Jesus had a father who was full of magic and passed it over to his son?
Isn't understandable that Juses was just following the orders of his father who gave him the magic? What shows that Jesus father was God? he maybe something else, don't you think so?

 

God's working force.

 

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