Religious faith is not good

thedope:

Is it my will to do what I cannot? That I was born was not my decision, nor is it one that could ever go against my will.

In me it isn't, for I don't have it. But upon me? There are those of religious faith whose faith in humanity suffers by it. Do you presume to speak for them? Could you?

Your life itself.

Yes, nothing happens in the past, having happened, but the present draws the future, not to itself, but of itself. What were you saying about it being an artifact? Upwards may be a choice, but onwards is a given.

 

Archeology substantiates many ancient records.

Please prove reality. Spell it out for me.

 

Thanks for the article

I agree with the idea of burden of proof. If someone makes a statement he/she bears the burden of proof for that statement.

Ultimately, don't we all suffer from that delusion? Who can prove reality?

 

What will be done is done. Not by the doing, but by being willful.

How do you know it was not your decision to be born? Regardless, I tend to agree.

Knowledge is being shared. The idea that is virtually ubiquitous is that nobody is perfect. Building on that idea is an explanation for why this is so, original sin et all. It is an idea founded on nothing. The idea does not spring from religious faith but it is adopted by many who call themselves faithful.

I have a complaint about that particular brand of belief, but not that it is inherently bad. It does not instill faithfulness but rather suspicion at best to viciousness at worst. The human being is now being scanned for defect before it even leaves the womb. If nobody is perfect we are left with varying degrees of insufficiency and that is all.

This moment is given. If you don't go within, you go without.

 

thedope:

No, what will be done, will be done. willing is an action.

Conceived then.

You don't think scanning for defect is also a part of perfection? Do you think it is only part of the desire for it? Would perfection disclude desire? What is perfection after all? The idea that no-one is perfect is not always the idea that no-one may become perfect.

:-D How, if it's truly given?

 

Show me.

I think the idea, nobody is perfect, is a total misapprehension and perversion of our ability to make distinctions.

In appearances.

 

Yes, because you are so obviously perfect.

 

thedope:

I will that you read this. Will you let me know that you have?

Punishable by imperfection no less? lol The idea is innocent enough. To say it is 'total' misapprehension of our ability to make distinctions goes against it not always being the idea that no-one may become perfect.

I can't agree. And I'm sure you can't show me. :-D We are never without the moment.


Maelstrom to thedope:

thedope is prepared to appreciate the perfection in everyone. In this, I don't care if he's religious or not! ( He says he isn't. :-D )

 

The act you performed was writing, unless of course you would allow that the thought comes first.

Misapprehension is innocent enough. I said that misapprehension perverts our ability to make distinctions, to tell one thing from another.

Is agreeing an act of will? What I mean is if your good is without, you find yourself frequently without. It is a critique of materialism.

 

Unless? Allow? Do you think I wrote without thinking to? lol The will is active, the thought comes. In insisting the thought precede everything ( including then itself )you really don't allow everything its thought.

You said it was a perversion and a total misapprehension. Is everyone perfect? What will be done is not done, but will be done. I don't mind anyone getting ahead of themselves, so long as they don't lose their heads! lol

Of course agreeing is an act of will, once recognized. When is our good "without"? Without what? A critique of materialism amounts at most to a critique of the material. What is the one thing you want to be distinct from another? LOL

 

People do religion because it appeals to a human need. it might appeal to the need to belong. It typically is the need to be secure, because religions bind people together socially and politically. Often it can be about political and economic solidarity.

 

You are placing parameters where I had none. What if I say every act begins with a thought.

Yes, there is no standard metric called perfection.

Human being is human being.

What will be done, is done. Will in this case is not a matter of timing. By will I mean the part of the mind that makes decisions.

Witness.

Is that the most you would glean from it?
Hunger is never satisfied. Consumption does not satisfy, the belief that it does, is materialism.
There are many things that are distinct one from the other. A bird is distinct from a caterpillar.
However, neither birds nor caterpillars, nor human beings can meaningfully be measured in terms of perfection or imperfection. The belief that they can is mans most pernicious superstition. There are things that are viable and things that are not.

 

thedope:

:-D Thought is itself an act, and every thought begins with itself, but so what if you were to 'say' every act begins with a thought? The universe is always beginning and ending, but do you think it will do either?

So the idea that no-one is perfect is therefore a total misapprehension? lol

That doesn't answer what I asked.

No, whether it is a matter of timing or not makes no difference. What is done, is done, but what will be, will be. The will is ongoing. What of it?

When is our good without witness?

LOL If you would reduce all measure of things to the 'viable' and 'unviable', you uphold the very belief you find to be "pernicious"! Try and find for me the inherently 'unviable'! :-D

Are you dissatisfied that there is no end to satisfaction?

 

What ending in a constant state of becoming?

Neither perfect or imperfect, human being is human being. The evaluation is a total misapprehension of the nature of being.

When we think it is our bad.

I didn't reduce anything. I said there are, (some )things are viable and there are things,(some), that are not.

I am not dissatisfied for any reason.

 

It's a great comfort to me, but then again, I don't go puking my beliefs all over the people around me.

Religion is harmful unless and until people decide they have the ONE TRUE RELIGION. Then it gets ugly.

 

thedope:

No ending all up.

If not perfect, how is the notion a total misapprehension?

And when is that?

Namely...?

Do you then have every reason for satisfaction? Have you resolved that complaint you mentioned?

 

Whatever keeps you strong and protects you from others and your self destruction is good in my eyes.