anyone else concerned?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by friggital, Sep 25, 2012.

  1. OddApple

    OddApple Member

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    It's not the drunks and I think that was clear. It's about seeming less limits on what can and is done in the name of "truth, justicve and the American way" whjich is not skulking around like sneak predators and intimidating everybody justifying it by "drunks"
     
  2. LetLovinTakeHold

    LetLovinTakeHold Cuz it will if you let it

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    Yeah, I would agree with that. But when I see the commercial I see symbolism that doesn't have any link to what you're talking about.
     
  3. odonII

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    Thank You.

    The advert says: "They'll see you before you see them..."

    I think the message is: when you are drink driving you tend to be oblivious to the dangers, and feel as if you are going to get away with it. The advert is suggesting the police are looking out for drink drivers, and are more likely to see you before you see them. The police are always looking out for criminality - unsurprisingly.
     
  4. rjhangover

    rjhangover Senior Member

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    Just letting people drive drunk is better? I think there are better examples of big brother, like the DEA, FBI, CIA, ATF, & NSA.
     
  5. zombiewolf

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  6. LetLovinTakeHold

    LetLovinTakeHold Cuz it will if you let it

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    The military has been experimenting with "invisible" camo technology. Having one side of an object fitted with screens, and the other with cameras. The screen displayed the image of whatever the object is standing in front of.

    But I think wire tapping, electronic spying, and drones are more of a threat to our liberty than this new technology.
     
  7. friggital

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    the point was NEVER about drunk driving, it was about the police even having a concept that they would hide in the back and treat everyone as "under suspicion". we used to be a reletively free people, and people that see nothing wrong with this commercial are the ones who will wake up 10 yrs on and wonder why all of a sudden they live in a socialist country
     
  8. friggital

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    I dont want to paint anyone in a bad light but the police are in too much of our bizness as it is.
     
  9. odonII

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    Such as?
     
  10. friggital

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    well lets look at weed... take a plant and make it illegal? it goes wayyyyyyy deeper than that but that is one example of someone telling other people that something is wrong when it is THEIR feeling and opinion not the people.
     
  11. odonII

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    I'd like to get a little deeper than the legality of MJ. But if MJ was legal would you say it would be ok for children to smoke It? Would you say it is ok to smoke it in the workplace? Would you say it's ok for police officers to smoke it on duty? (Heck it might chill 'em out a bit) - the list goes on.

    I just re-read your earlier comment - I missed this bit:

    I live in the United Kingdom Would you say the United Kingdom is a 'socialist country'? If not which country would you say is? Cuba? I can see the issues with Cuba - I can't really fathom why you would be concerned about a country such as the UK, ...or why you would use 'socialist' as a derogatory term.

    The idea that the police keep everybody under suspicion is a little over the top. I do think they look out for illegality. Drink driving is illegal, right? Obviously another one of those pesky 'Big Brother' draconian socialist rules, right? Forgive my sarcasm - hope you understand why I am being a little sarcastic. If we are talking about a 'Big Brother' society - how about HD CCTV...



    Read more: http://www.theweek.co.uk/technology...-against-crime-or-end-democracy#ixzz28LXr1Ejn
     
  12. friggital

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    The UK was NOT founded on the idea that freedom is a right of every citizen. ( I dont think it was ever "founded") the UK government will do as they please with you. thats all there is to that. I do find it disturbing that they have cameras like that tho. I am native american..or indian if you will, that means I am distrustfull as it is of the government. YES I do say that socialism in the USA is a VERY bad thing indeed.
     
  13. odonII

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    I understand there is a difference.
    We do have :
    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/contents
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Convention_on_Human_Rights

    so they can't "do as they please "

    Why?
     
  14. friggital

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    socialism has failed ever time it was used ( and still is) democracy has failed too in the past. but you cannot have democracy and socialism... since we are a democratic people, socialism is against the grain.
     
  15. zombiewolf

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    With all due respect friggital, you couldn't be more wrong. Democracy and socialism are perfectly compatible.

    You and and probably most people in the US have been effectively programed to equate the words 'socialism' and 'communism' with evil. It's been pounded into your head from public school, church and media. Ever since the red scare there has been a concerted effort by the military propaganda machine to thoroughly poison the words Socialism and Communism so they might conduct their 'manifest destiny' world policy with more public approval and less scrutiny.
    By the 70's, high school government and civics classes, even American history started becoming 'electives' or were so watered down they bored kids shitless or were eliminated completely from K-12 curriculum to become 'social studies'. Most young folks now-a-days have little idea how democracy works let alone socialism or communism. The dumbing down of America has worked for the most part.

    Now if they can just price those common folks out of a university education...:eek:

    Don't sweat it though, shit'll shake out when the GLOBAL financial crisis catches up with us...
    Remember the tribal ways brother? Everyone works for the good of the tribe, no one that has a bad hunt goes without...There is a chief but also a tribal vote. Kind of a really basic form of social-democracy don't you think?

    We all's gonna end up goin' back to the tribal anyway I'm afraid.... the lucky survivors will have to.




    Peace
     
  16. odonII

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    Isn't that a form of socialism? :p

    friggital, to be fair, I imagine a pure form of 'socialism' in every aspect of life wouldn't be my cup of tea either.

    I did ask: "I live in the United Kingdom Would you say the United Kingdom is a 'socialist country'? If not which country would you say is? Cuba? " - if you could answer that I might be able to understand what YOU mean and why YOU might be concerned. If you say the UK - I wouldn't be that concerned.
     
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